Solving the Masculinity Crisis, with Rawd Jones

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Brave men with Paul Lewis Cole.

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Hi, I'm Paul Lewis Cole.

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This is the Brave Men podcast.

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Rod Jones, good to have you here, man.

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Oh, thanks.

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You got a W in your name.

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Yeah, man.

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Well.

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It's like winner, champion.

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All the above.

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It was the 80s and my name was kind of like boring, Rod, R-O-D. And you know, we were experimental and lived down in Orange County and we had a band.

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And so my stage name became Rod, R-A-W-D.

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It was actually R-A-W-D, B-E-E. Rod B was my stage name.

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Come on, man.

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My DJ name back in the day.

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Really?

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You had like a stage name?

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That's awesome, man.

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And you kept half of it.

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Yes, yeah, because Rod B, that's not too, you know, I got to make it sound like this.

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That's fantastic.

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So what was the band?

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You had a band?

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Well, yes.

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I did some DJ stuff back in that day.

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They were talking like, yeah, mid-Agros.

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Like actual turntables.

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Yes, actual records.

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Digital.

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Yes, yes.

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And my buddy was kind of like getting into the rap scene, and nobody was into rap back then, especially white boys.

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And so we put our towels together.

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We started doing some stuff.

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We recorded some things just in our own dorm room because we were in college.

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And we became the plain white rappers.

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And he was Twist Weeblow and I was Rod B.

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So PWR.

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Here they are.

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That's right.

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Yeah, man.

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We made our own T-shirts.

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We did parties.

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It was kind of fun.

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That's awesome.

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I mean, we were out before DC Talk, before the Beastie Boys.

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We were the white dudes doing stuff before all these other days.

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Doing stuff.

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So I'm glad we didn't do anything with it.

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Yeah.

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I'd probably be in some rehab somewhere.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you know, I don't know.

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You'd probably be driving a vet with gold chains.

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Definitely gold chains.

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Yeah, definitely the gold chains.

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You know, but that's, okay, so that was a college thing?

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Yes.

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And then, but you also actually ended up becoming a pastor for college people.

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You could be both.

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Rapper, pastor, MC Hammer did it.

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MC Hammer did it.

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That's right.

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Pastor, yeah.

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We got some other guys who say, yeah, we're an evangelist.

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Yeah, drop your comment in the chat right now.

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Like, yeah, were you a rapper and a pastor?

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That's really, that's aggressive, man.

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That's awesome.

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You know, the thing is, but now you're doing this soul care piece, right?

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Yes.

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And particularly dealing with men, which is what I wanted to talk about.

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Mm.

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And you had mentioned to me some of the things you're dealing with, not you personally.

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Oh, we could go into that.

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That'd be great.

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I mean, how much time you got?

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I got it.

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Right?

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We could even call my wife in and we could go two hours.

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Call Jeannie and we go, hey, can you go, you know what, do you have a minute?

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We get real, we'll get Judy and Jeannie in on here, and man, we'll just go for it.

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So especially I don't want to do it like when we first got married, because it was, we talked the other day, I said something like, because we're doing the ministry to men, and it's, you know, we're helping guys, and I said, yeah, I was not so great when we first got married, and she goes, yeah.

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Like it was just, yeah.

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You're okay.

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That says it all.

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Like, you know, all right.

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Anyway.

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But there is it.

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I mean, we're dealing with some stuff, man.

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You know, fatherlessness is the leading indicator of poverty in every culture of the world.

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Fatherlessness.

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It's not, in fact, fatherness, when we talk about that, because we think, okay, what's the biggest issues in culture?

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And we don't think of fatherlessness.

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We think of, okay, it's drugs or it's this or it's that kind of thing.

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And it's guys showing up, man, keeping their word, which is the core issue of fatherlessness, the immaturity of men.

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Right.

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So everywhere I go in the world, we're dealing with that.

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Now, you have this really unique kind of piece where you're you're working with men who help men.

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You're helping guys who help guys.

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Right.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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And you're doing these these soul care intensives.

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where you take men away how many guys go into something like that how many guys what's what's the kind of optimum yeah 10 or 12 at a time really yeah it's kind of a biblical thing well yeah and practical because we can fit in two vehicles and get better reservations at restaurants that's right yeah how many guys are coming 28 sorry that's a tough one we do it but we can't do it

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Yeah, I know Tyson does, he'll do those retreats with a bunch of guys.

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They'll have 35 guys there.

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But he brings a cook in.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nice.

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So a dozen men, right?

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Yes.

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And you go do the retreat, intensive, that kind of thing.

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What are men, what are guys dealing with?

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What do you think is a core issue?

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And then they're helping guys, so they kind of say, hey,

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here's what I'm dealing with, but here's what my men are dealing with.

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Because you're working with guys that might have, they might be discipling or mentoring a dozen men each, right?

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Or 20 guys or something that they're responsible for or more.

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What's the core thing you're thinking about right now that really seems to stand out?

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Sure.

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And it may just be replenish adjacent because we really set things up in a way that like we're going to talk about soul care.

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We're going to talk about, you know, what we excel out and some good things.

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But we don't really look for the low hanging fruit.

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We're not looking to like identify, you know, this is my thing that I'm into and this is why I'm caught.

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And this is because we have the answers to everything on the Internet.

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Right.

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So.

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If you're dealing with sleep issues, you can find answers to that.

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You're dealing with porn, which how many pastors are.

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So we really don't try to go there.

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Now, we can, but during our soul care sessions, we try to maintain focus on our soul.

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Because the premise is, when our soul is better, we're better at everything.

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We're better at husbands, pastors, fathers, leaders, everything.

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You're on clear air.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And we don't really pay attention to our soul.

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I think I've said this last time we were together on the podcast, but we spend billions of dollars every year on health care.

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We pull fluids out of our body and analyze them.

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We hook our bodies up to machines and have the computer analyze them.

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And we take care of our bodies and we take care of our spirit vis-a-vis the church

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but who watches out for our soul and i'm not pushing a trichotomy agenda here but i'm just saying there is this peace yeah totally that that if if it is this wandering entity that floats back and forth or is driven back and forth between the flesh and the spirit we really need to control that because if the soul is the seat of the mind will and emotion we have control of that and that's really where the battle is fought it's not fought over the spirit because that's the spirit of god it's not but over our body what's that for

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but it's in the soul is where the warfare is.

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And so when guys have a better soul, they're better at everything.

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Now when you talk about soul, you're talking about thought life, mindset.

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Kind of like what our default is on our decision making.

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True, yes, yes.

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Pressure comes, boom, you are what you practiced.

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Yes.

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What you rehearsed is what comes out.

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You know, but Rod, that's true.

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We spend millions, maybe billions of dollars building prisons for broken men and very little building fathers for broken boys.

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Right?

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I mean, we spend millions of dollars building amazing athletes.

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I'll tell you, here's one.

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Here's one.

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We spend, because I'm trying to, you know, this contrast thing, right?

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We spend

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so much time preparing men for a ministry platform, but not discipling them for the kitchen table.

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There's another zinger.

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So true.

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Right, so stuff falls apart.

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You know, like dude, I've got all this stuff together.

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You know, I'm the C-suite guy, I'm the CEO, I'm a manager of the Costco, local Costco.

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I got it going on, right?

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And then stuff falls apart.

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Why?

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Soul care, right?

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Is that where you'd put that?

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Correct.

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Soul care thing.

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Correct.

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And maybe I'm making a big deal out of it, you know, once we have our space, we try to make everything farther through that.

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Well, it's like,

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Well, there's a lot of mystical stuff out there on soul, but like Christian specific soul care.

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Biblical soul care.

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It's an interesting concept.

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And if you look at like entomologically into what is soul, like it always points back to Hebrew scriptures.

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And there's some other stuff that predates and some mystical things out there.

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But we as Christians really need to, one, understand that we have the ability to understand soul more than other people.

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And we have the mandate because we are part of the soul.

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I mean, the soul is who we are.

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And we don't have the language to support that.

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We don't have the impetus to support that.

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And so we just kind of run, like we were talking about earlier.

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We give in to the urgency, we give in to rush, and we don't think about it.

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We just say, oh, I'll take care of that later.

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But if we're always running, we outrun our soul.

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And Judith Smith says, our soul is a wandering entity that needs to be anchored.

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So we need to control our soul.

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And the first thing we need to do is slow down.

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So I know you were just last earlier this week with a bunch of men and you just took off and you were out in the middle of nowhere.

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We slowed down.

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And when you slow down, your soul will catch up to you.

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That's a fascinating concept.

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And that doesn't always work well.

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Right.

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So perhaps what a lot of us are doing is we're occupying things, doing things.

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We're doom scrolling.

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Yeah, man.

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In order not to slow down so that we have to think about where we're at.

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Wasn't there a song in the 60s?

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I can't get it, but it was sort of like, I just found out what condition my condition is in.

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That's funny.

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Yeah, it was what condition my condition is in.

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I just found out what condition my condition is in.

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And it was like, this is not good.

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You know, so we kind of try to outpace having to think about those things.

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Is that what you're saying?

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Yes, yes.

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Or we go ostrich and we hide our head in the sand and we pretend like nothing's really wrong.

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But there's a lot of things wrong.

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But I think there's kind of this fear of really leaning into our soul.

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Because if we really take a step back, like you just came back from your time,

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When we take a step back or we intentionally block off time on a Saturday or get up early, not just to work and study and focus, but to just set everything aside and go, I'm going to listen to my soul.

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What is the Holy Spirit saying to me?

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How is he speaking to my soul?

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He speaks to the Spirit, right?

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But the Spirit needs the soul to translate.

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Yeah.

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What do you think stops us as men from listening?

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I think the lack of intentionality.

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I think we're intentional on our career path.

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We're intentional on making money, building wealth.

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We're intentional on our friendships and brotherhood.

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And these are all great things.

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But we're not intentional on stopping everything that's vying for our attention and allowing our soul to catch us and allowing our soul to speak to us.

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Because we're men who want to focus.

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And the problem with that, we say, hey, we've got to focus on career, focus on this, focus on that.

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and we misdefine it.

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Focus isn't about greater intensity, it's about greater intentionality.

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Oh, so true, so true.

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And so it's intentionality.

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Yes.

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And what keeps men from that?

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Oh man, just like we were talking earlier, the tyranny of the urgent.

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You know, we live in an attention economy.

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Everybody wants your attention.

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And you say, Yeah, I'm scrolling.

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It's eyeballs, man.

243
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It's like how many followers you got.

244
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Like seriously, you'll go to somebody and the guy who wrote a book and you go,

245
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Wow, this is pretty good.

246
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I wonder how many people follow him.

247
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Like in other words, if he has more followers, somehow it's probably a more weighty book or something like that.

248
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Bro, I'm telling you, there's some guys with millions of followers, or multi-millions of followers, who have zero character.

249
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Man.

250
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They're a talent.

251
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And so all these people follow him.

252
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So you can't base it on that, but too often we base our value, our worth,

253
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right?

254
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I mean, seriously, when we're talking about the church, you're dealing with pastors.

255
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How many of those guys base their value on how many butts are in the seats?

256
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It's the Monday morning holy hangover.

257
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You know, like, I spent yesterday all day, you know, or Saturday too, man, I've been running for 36 hours.

258
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I'm tired.

259
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And then you look at the numbers, right?

260
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Either the finance or the numbers of people in the church and you're like,

261
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You're either that week is you live or die by the numbers.

262
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If you had good numbers, man, you're we're doing this thing.

263
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We have bad numbers like.

264
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But how do we like let's take the attention off of numbers and like focus in on what Jesus said.

265
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Make disciples.

266
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Well, it's like it's like somebody says, well, how big is your church?

267
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Which, by the way, pastors usually don't say that to each other.

268
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It's somebody that's not a pastor.

269
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He goes, I think it's a church.

270
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Yeah.

271
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We always say, well, Easter we had 385.

272
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Yeah, yeah.

273
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We used the Easter or the Christmas Eve we had 200.

274
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How many staff do you have?

275
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I don't want to know the size of your church, but how many staff do you have?

276
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Are there volunteers?

277
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There's ways.

278
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That's horrible.

279
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And that's one of the ground rules that we do on Replenish Experience.

280
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I say, does this matter about your church or denomination?

281
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I don't want to know your size.

282
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This is dumb.

283
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Right?

284
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It's just the wrong indicator.

285
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It's the wrong indicator.

286
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Right?

287
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That's so good.

288
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You know, it's value and worth, right?

289
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And so guys are dealing with distractions.

290
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They're distracted by this stuff.

291
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So all of us.

292
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And you've got a unique position.

293
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You've been a pastor.

294
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You're also a motivational speaker in the corporate world, right?

295
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You've got replenished.

296
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So you're kind of seeing it from different sides.

297
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And do you think we're all dealing with some of the same stuff, though?

298
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Absolutely.

299
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Absolutely.

300
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But no one really gets real enough or has time to get real enough to go, here's what I'm going through.

301
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Like on our pastor replenish retreats, the guys come through and the number one thing we hear is, I didn't know I was this tired and I didn't know I was doing this alone without the help of the Holy Spirit.

302
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I mean, just right there.

303
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We're not talking about porn, we're not talking about my elder board is coming after me, I'm job insecure, whatever.

304
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It's tired.

305
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It's good guys.

306
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And healthy guys, yes.

307
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Now we bring some unhealthy guys too, because everybody needs replenished.

308
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And so, yeah, but the number one thing we hear, and it's probably the setup, because we know how to get these things fixed.

309
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We know how to get, if you really want help with your marriage, if your marriage is really in trouble,

310
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You should have gotten a counselor a long time ago.

311
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You don't need me to tell you that.

312
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You didn't need to come up to the mountains of Colorado to figure out I need a marriage counselor, right?

313
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But if your soul is healthy, your soul is like screaming to you.

314
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I've been screaming to you, but you've been outrunning me and you've not heard me.

315
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And now that you slow down and now that you're in the presence of all these other dudes that are in the same situation.

316
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And one guy leads out says, my marriage is in trouble.

317
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And like five others go, oh, I was hoping somebody would say that.

318
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And finally, our souls have been heard.

319
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We go, I need to go back.

320
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Yeah, we had a guy, we had a man say, yeah, I got with this group and I thought, man, I'm nowhere near where these guys are at.

321
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You know, I probably don't belong here.

322
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And it's kind of, because that's an age old question for men, is do I measure up?

323
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And a number of other men had the same thing.

324
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Oh, you really?

325
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Yeah.

326
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Well, bro, I'm kind of there too.

327
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I'm kind of there too.

328
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I'm also there, right?

329
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And he's the one that texted me just a little bit ago.

330
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Texted me and said, hey, I just want you to know, man, I'm free.

331
00:16:11.942 --> 00:16:24.928
Like just three days with some men praying for each other and having fun and telling jokes and sitting around a campfire, you know, and doing some fishing or ski shooting or some guys.

332
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Like one guy told me, he said, one man told me, he said, he said, bro, how you doing?

333
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He says, man,

334
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I slept eight and a half hours.

335
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Amazing.

336
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He said, then I worked out in the gym for two hours.

337
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I go, wow, that's awesome, man.

338
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Well done.

339
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And that was his thing.

340
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And he was like, I needed that.

341
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And he's very successful at what he does.

342
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He's a pastor, very successful.

343
00:16:56.724 --> 00:17:00.407
He just needed that dial down thing, right?

344
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Rest is a superpower.

345
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We treat it like an additive.

346
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Rest is a superpower.

347
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If we think about it, right?

348
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Everything good comes from rest.

349
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I mean, if we really think about it, if we're not rested, we don't have good attention span.

350
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We don't have good people skills.

351
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If we just were getting six hours of sleep at night and like we have 25 tasks on our list, you know, you and I trying to have a conversation.

352
00:17:20.741 --> 00:17:23.123
We're not going to go deep, especially during the workday.

353
00:17:23.143 --> 00:17:24.864
It's like, yeah, just task, task, task, get it done.

354
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You know, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

355
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Well, when we take a step back, we can be, be, be, be.

356
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If we really think about it, you know, we've got three children, they're 12, six and four, you know, we've got responsibilities at work or office or, you know, managing a, you know, a lube place, you know, for Pennzoil, whatever the thing is.

357
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How do we step back, man?

358
00:17:49.629 --> 00:17:50.690
How do we, how do we do that?

359
00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.001
That's a great question.

360
00:17:53.822 --> 00:17:59.568
And, you know, I think sometimes we're tempted to quantify something that's inherently qualitative.

361
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And, you know, God gave us rest.

362
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That's that's a blessing that we have.

363
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And so the opposite of that for us not to have rest,

364
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Maybe a curse.

365
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I mean, maybe a third of Hebrews talks about entering into this rest.

366
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And it's not a fictitional rest that we get to someday when we finally retire or we're on vacation.

367
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Yeah.

368
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But it's a rest in work.

369
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It's not a rest from work.

370
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It's a rest that we get to trust God to go before us.

371
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You've probably had this.

372
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I had this recently happen.

373
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I'm like, I got a.

374
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ton on my plate today.

375
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But you know what?

376
00:18:32.728 --> 00:18:34.809
I'm not going to let that impact my devotional time.

377
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I'm just going to sit here and read.

378
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I'm going to do my thing.

379
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I'm going to put my phone on Dune to Serve, and I'm going to choose to just spend the rest of my quality time.

380
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Not like the old guys that would say, like, so I just spend another hour in prayer.

381
00:18:46.213 --> 00:18:47.574
You know, that's just too mystical for me.

382
00:18:47.614 --> 00:18:49.455
I just wanted to finish what my plan was.

383
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And so I finished, I said, okay, Lord, I chose to have some space in my schedule that day.

384
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I had things that I could do.

385
00:18:58.292 --> 00:19:01.293
I had appointments, I had people waiting, but I'm like, I'm just gonna finish this right.

386
00:19:02.394 --> 00:19:04.615
And I picked up my phone when I was done with that.

387
00:19:04.635 --> 00:19:06.836
We're probably really only talking 15, 20 minutes, right?

388
00:19:06.936 --> 00:19:08.696
But it was that intentionality.

389
00:19:08.716 --> 00:19:10.337
It was the intentional 15 or 20 minutes.

390
00:19:10.937 --> 00:19:15.739
I picked up my phone and there were like three things, three big projects that I had on my list that day.

391
00:19:16.139 --> 00:19:16.960
They were already done.

392
00:19:17.949 --> 00:19:18.209
Really?

393
00:19:18.229 --> 00:19:19.711
Like I didn't have to, no, like done.

394
00:19:19.911 --> 00:19:20.812
Stuff was happening.

395
00:19:20.912 --> 00:19:23.034
Yes, like done, I didn't even do anything on it.

396
00:19:23.554 --> 00:19:25.376
But those things come from rest.

397
00:19:25.396 --> 00:19:29.800
Now that's not an excuse to like not work our butts off because we're programmed to do that.

398
00:19:29.820 --> 00:19:33.062
And any type A, any guy that's worth something, you're gonna work, work, work, and we do it.

399
00:19:33.743 --> 00:19:35.284
But in that work, we can have the rest.

400
00:19:36.145 --> 00:19:38.506
And it's almost like the agrarian concept, right?

401
00:19:38.526 --> 00:19:39.746
We're so far removed from that.

402
00:19:39.786 --> 00:19:42.987
You know, we're all into, you know, everything's on our computer and digital.

403
00:19:43.247 --> 00:19:46.268
But like, if you think about the farmer, he goes out and he's like, I know what I need to do.

404
00:19:46.328 --> 00:19:47.828
I need to go plow the field.

405
00:19:47.948 --> 00:19:49.028
Okay, nothing's happening yet.

406
00:19:49.068 --> 00:19:49.909
I need to plant the seeds.

407
00:19:50.369 --> 00:19:51.249
Nothing's happening yet.

408
00:19:52.029 --> 00:19:54.070
Make sure I pick the weeds, water, sun.

409
00:19:55.110 --> 00:19:56.070
But there's nothing he could do.

410
00:19:56.190 --> 00:19:59.051
I'm gonna go run around my crop today and see if that makes him grow faster.

411
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I'm gonna pray really hard.

412
00:20:00.872 --> 00:20:02.452
Oh God, make my crop grow faster.

413
00:20:04.105 --> 00:20:04.485
Wow.

414
00:20:05.006 --> 00:20:06.708
So what he needs to do is go.

415
00:20:07.188 --> 00:20:07.889
So you know what I'm gonna do?

416
00:20:08.229 --> 00:20:12.233
I'm gonna go sit on my porch and I'm gonna just do whatever I want on my porch today.

417
00:20:12.393 --> 00:20:14.576
I'm gonna rock a hundred times on my rocker.

418
00:20:14.616 --> 00:20:17.359
So when you think nothing's happening, something's happening.

419
00:20:17.859 --> 00:20:18.760
If we allow God's rest.

420
00:20:18.800 --> 00:20:20.362
That's the Holy Spirit of work in our lives.

421
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All right.

422
00:20:21.342 --> 00:20:22.663
So now, okay.

423
00:20:22.964 --> 00:20:24.465
So let me just speak to one thing.

424
00:20:24.905 --> 00:20:25.886
This is so easy.

425
00:20:26.006 --> 00:20:29.569
This is so easy to fall into, man, which is doom scrolling.

426
00:20:29.769 --> 00:20:30.269
Oh, gosh.

427
00:20:30.490 --> 00:20:30.710
Right?

428
00:20:31.170 --> 00:20:35.834
You get on your phone, and it's digital cocaine.

429
00:20:36.134 --> 00:20:36.474
Gosh.

430
00:20:37.255 --> 00:20:37.495
Right?

431
00:20:37.915 --> 00:20:42.159
And we're just, I've got guys who don't do that, but they're flipping ESPN.

432
00:20:43.269 --> 00:20:48.835
You're going, yeah, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN College, ESPN, I don't know how many channels there are.

433
00:20:48.895 --> 00:20:51.237
Or checking your stocks, looking at your crypto account.

434
00:20:51.377 --> 00:20:52.038
That's right.

435
00:20:52.098 --> 00:20:54.781
I mean, whatever it is, you're getting that dopamine hit, right?

436
00:20:54.821 --> 00:20:55.662
Can I make a confession?

437
00:20:56.102 --> 00:20:56.703
Yeah.

438
00:20:56.883 --> 00:20:57.364
I'm worried.

439
00:20:57.384 --> 00:21:02.969
I'm really worried about myself because I picked up my phone two or three times in the last maybe two weeks,

440
00:21:03.630 --> 00:21:08.534
and to do one thing specifically, like for instance, find out a mutual friend we have.

441
00:21:08.554 --> 00:21:11.256
So I'll go to Facebook and I'll say, I need to know that mutual friend that Paul and I have.

442
00:21:11.757 --> 00:21:16.221
Well, I pick up my phone and I'm going to go to Facebook or Insta and find that person.

443
00:21:16.721 --> 00:21:21.825
And 15 minutes, well, honestly, maybe five minutes later, I'm like, what was I even doing?

444
00:21:21.845 --> 00:21:22.946
How did I get over here?

445
00:21:23.086 --> 00:21:25.548
Yeah, I didn't know that Nephilim might be real.

446
00:21:26.449 --> 00:21:30.773
And now my algorithm's full of that and UFOs and Bigfoot and I'm going,

447
00:21:32.182 --> 00:21:32.964
What was I doing?

448
00:21:33.044 --> 00:21:35.771
And then I close it and I go, I'm just gonna go back to writing what I was doing.

449
00:21:36.513 --> 00:21:38.036
Oh yeah, who was Paul and I, mutual friend?

450
00:21:38.076 --> 00:21:39.359
Who was supposed to text I got?

451
00:21:39.901 --> 00:21:41.244
And it's 10 minutes later.

452
00:21:42.085 --> 00:21:50.133
It worries me, it's almost like I didn't have any control of myself, I mean I did, but like, I just, I went there that fast and I'm like, is my brain getting rewired?

453
00:21:50.773 --> 00:21:52.975
Like that's my confession, I really am worried.

454
00:21:53.656 --> 00:21:55.298
So I've been purposing.

455
00:21:55.318 --> 00:21:56.519
Because it is a wire thing.

456
00:21:57.420 --> 00:22:07.089
And the issue for us as men is that whatever we allow to capture and control our attention, right, will eventually control the direction of our lives.

457
00:22:08.778 --> 00:22:14.325
Because that becomes what is in us, controls, you know, heart controls hands.

458
00:22:15.066 --> 00:22:17.910
And we end up using that as a direction of our lives.

459
00:22:17.930 --> 00:22:21.154
And now we're off, we're off a half bubble.

460
00:22:22.562 --> 00:22:24.563
And we don't see it right now, but we're gonna see it later.

461
00:22:25.363 --> 00:22:25.583
Right?

462
00:22:26.344 --> 00:22:28.125
So, Coach McCartney, remember this?

463
00:22:28.765 --> 00:22:30.666
We've talked about this.

464
00:22:30.746 --> 00:22:38.510
He said, in a group of men, Bill McCartney, coached Colorado and then started Promise Keepers, won a national championship in football.

465
00:22:39.090 --> 00:22:43.872
And he says, how many men want an extra 180 hours a year?

466
00:22:44.753 --> 00:22:46.994
How many men want an extra 100?

467
00:22:47.034 --> 00:22:47.614
How many do you like?

468
00:22:47.954 --> 00:22:49.275
Everybody's like, yeah, yeah, it'd be awesome.

469
00:22:49.295 --> 00:22:51.776
He goes, get up a half hour earlier every day.

470
00:22:53.687 --> 00:22:55.991
They're like, you know.

471
00:22:56.572 --> 00:22:57.473
But that's the truth.

472
00:22:57.774 --> 00:23:01.519
The truth is, guys tell me, man, I'm depressed, man.

473
00:23:01.780 --> 00:23:02.861
I just don't have the time.

474
00:23:03.804 --> 00:23:08.627
And then they'll turn to the guy next to him and go, hey bro, do you see that new series on Paramount Plus?

475
00:23:09.947 --> 00:23:10.608
Like really?

476
00:23:11.288 --> 00:23:14.210
Yeah, I saw the first three episodes.

477
00:23:14.790 --> 00:23:18.092
Like okay, so that's an hour and a half, two hours.

478
00:23:18.772 --> 00:23:28.398
I got nothing against whatever that is in one sense, unless it's just something that's gonna fill your mind with trash, but what if you took half that time

479
00:23:29.387 --> 00:23:30.088
And he said, you know what?

480
00:23:30.648 --> 00:23:31.989
I'm going over here to YouVersion.

481
00:23:32.910 --> 00:23:33.190
Read.

482
00:23:33.670 --> 00:23:34.851
Or I'm going to pick up a book.

483
00:23:35.411 --> 00:23:37.113
I'm going to read that.

484
00:23:37.133 --> 00:23:40.255
I'm actually going to get something in my heart, my spirit.

485
00:23:40.335 --> 00:23:43.397
I'm going to pick up my Bible and go, you know what?

486
00:23:43.717 --> 00:23:47.380
I'm just going to read John, the story of Lazarus.

487
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:48.201
I'm going to get in there.

488
00:23:49.201 --> 00:23:50.082
What if we did that?

489
00:23:50.102 --> 00:23:51.943
Because there's a rest in the Word.

490
00:23:52.063 --> 00:23:52.324
Mm-hmm.

491
00:23:53.231 --> 00:23:57.017
You can't read the Word of God and be anxious.

492
00:23:58.439 --> 00:23:58.660
Right?

493
00:23:59.020 --> 00:24:00.362
Like, how's this going to turn out?

494
00:24:00.663 --> 00:24:01.965
Yeah.

495
00:24:01.985 --> 00:24:03.187
Right, right, right.

496
00:24:04.008 --> 00:24:07.974
I remember a guy, there was a guy, I was doing a show with him.

497
00:24:08.775 --> 00:24:12.017
doing a series of concert shows with a guy named Barry McGuire.

498
00:24:12.037 --> 00:24:12.497
Oh, sure.

499
00:24:12.797 --> 00:24:16.499
And Barry had written The Eve of Destruction, famous singer back in the day, right?

500
00:24:17.379 --> 00:24:18.800
An amazing guy.

501
00:24:19.600 --> 00:24:22.922
And he'd gotten radically said, well, then he's leading other guys to Christ.

502
00:24:22.942 --> 00:24:27.924
And we were sitting with this guy who had been the lead in Jesus Christ Superstore, okay?

503
00:24:27.944 --> 00:24:29.085
And Barry had led him to Christ.

504
00:24:29.545 --> 00:24:34.167
We're sitting in a restaurant, and he had read just a little bit of the Book of Acts.

505
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:39.322
And I think somebody was in, maybe it was Paul, and he's in a storm.

506
00:24:40.403 --> 00:24:44.546
And we're sitting there and he goes, dude, I'm really freaked out.

507
00:24:44.566 --> 00:24:45.206
We're like, what?

508
00:24:45.687 --> 00:24:48.849
He goes, I don't know what's gonna happen with these guys, man.

509
00:24:50.230 --> 00:24:52.472
He had never read any other part of the Bible.

510
00:24:52.492 --> 00:24:55.354
He goes, what is gonna happen with these guys, bro?

511
00:24:55.714 --> 00:24:56.735
I think they're getting killed.

512
00:24:56.955 --> 00:24:58.076
I think they're all getting offed.

513
00:24:58.917 --> 00:25:00.738
We're like, no, and Barry's like, no, no, no, man.

514
00:25:00.778 --> 00:25:02.519
If you keep reading, what happens?

515
00:25:02.539 --> 00:25:03.260
He starts telling him,

516
00:25:05.226 --> 00:25:05.827
I didn't know.

517
00:25:06.687 --> 00:25:07.608
That's really cool.

518
00:25:07.748 --> 00:25:08.468
That's delicious.

519
00:25:08.509 --> 00:25:09.009
It's beautiful.

520
00:25:09.029 --> 00:25:09.749
Isn't that great?

521
00:25:09.950 --> 00:25:10.450
Man.

522
00:25:10.610 --> 00:25:18.316
But so, in other words, when you get into it and you start reading the Word and you're reading things, this has life in it.

523
00:25:19.317 --> 00:25:20.397
This has life in it.

524
00:25:21.158 --> 00:25:22.679
You want a moment of peace?

525
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.622
You know, forget going through the news and all that.

526
00:25:26.842 --> 00:25:27.723
Just pick this up.

527
00:25:29.047 --> 00:25:30.808
You know, here's what Jesus said.

528
00:25:31.528 --> 00:25:33.408
Here's Jesus anointed at Bethany.

529
00:25:33.928 --> 00:25:38.310
You're like, you get into this moment and you go, wow, man.

530
00:25:38.590 --> 00:25:41.991
And then Holy Spirit begins to dial you down, right?

531
00:25:42.591 --> 00:25:42.991
It's true.

532
00:25:43.611 --> 00:25:45.792
I don't, you know, there's, we talked about it.

533
00:25:46.492 --> 00:25:47.352
We talked about it a lot.

534
00:25:47.392 --> 00:25:48.373
You talk about it a lot.

535
00:25:49.953 --> 00:25:52.354
Basically, you know, word, prayer and brotherhood.

536
00:25:53.034 --> 00:25:54.815
You want your life to radically change.

537
00:25:55.095 --> 00:25:55.975
Start reading the Bible.

538
00:25:57.893 --> 00:25:59.454
pray, right?

539
00:26:00.234 --> 00:26:02.595
And be around some men who love Jesus.

540
00:26:02.856 --> 00:26:05.397
What's that thing about you'll become the guys you hang out with?

541
00:26:05.757 --> 00:26:06.698
Oh, sure, yeah.

542
00:26:06.718 --> 00:26:07.878
I mean, it's true.

543
00:26:08.298 --> 00:26:13.721
Like if you wanna be a better dad, like find those people that you look up to that are good fathers and just hang out with them.

544
00:26:13.921 --> 00:26:14.602
Just hang out with them.

545
00:26:16.022 --> 00:26:18.043
It's not like, hey, can you give me five things?

546
00:26:18.464 --> 00:26:19.104
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

547
00:26:19.124 --> 00:26:20.665
One, make sure you take your kid to a park.

548
00:26:23.204 --> 00:26:24.926
Make sure your kid eats all their vegetables.

549
00:26:26.027 --> 00:26:26.708
No, no.

550
00:26:26.908 --> 00:26:27.349
But you're right.

551
00:26:27.389 --> 00:26:29.471
But it's like we were talking about with intentionality.

552
00:26:29.732 --> 00:26:32.175
And I want to talk about just guilt just for a second.

553
00:26:32.215 --> 00:26:38.782
Because I think when you and I talk about this, people think we're coming from a place of like, I just don't have any challenges.

554
00:26:38.802 --> 00:26:39.423
Right.

555
00:26:39.943 --> 00:26:41.985
with picking up my Bible any time of the day.

556
00:26:42.385 --> 00:26:47.089
I'm in the middle of a board meeting and I just go, let me just pick up my Bible and I'm gonna read Philippians.

557
00:26:47.970 --> 00:26:48.610
It doesn't happen.

558
00:26:48.830 --> 00:26:52.853
And so if you're not reading your Bible 30 minutes a day, please don't feel guilty.

559
00:26:53.013 --> 00:26:54.975
Like just start anywhere, it doesn't matter, right?

560
00:26:55.235 --> 00:27:01.200
Even five minutes a day, just get up and concentrate, be intentional, read your Bible, and then get a prayer.

561
00:27:01.260 --> 00:27:02.421
God, what do you got for me today?

562
00:27:02.581 --> 00:27:03.682
We're gonna do something awesome.

563
00:27:03.702 --> 00:27:06.524
I also tell guys praying in the shower counts.

564
00:27:06.844 --> 00:27:07.705
Absolutely, yes.

565
00:27:08.265 --> 00:27:10.126
Hey, that's one of the only times without our phones.

566
00:27:10.186 --> 00:27:12.126
So that's probably, yes.

567
00:27:12.166 --> 00:27:13.106
Yeah.

568
00:27:13.246 --> 00:27:14.327
But praying while you're driving?

569
00:27:15.447 --> 00:27:16.187
Is that okay?

570
00:27:16.267 --> 00:27:17.327
Jesus is my co-pilot, right?

571
00:27:18.428 --> 00:27:18.628
Yeah.

572
00:27:18.848 --> 00:27:20.068
Well, hopefully he's your pilot.

573
00:27:20.288 --> 00:27:22.049
But I understand what you're saying.

574
00:27:22.089 --> 00:27:22.769
He took the wheel.

575
00:27:23.189 --> 00:27:24.149
Yeah, Jesus took the wheel.

576
00:27:24.609 --> 00:27:26.670
So the thing is that these moments

577
00:27:27.706 --> 00:27:31.028
I remember a great minister once said, he said he had a good friend.

578
00:27:31.048 --> 00:27:33.149
This guy was a guy who taught a lot about prayer.

579
00:27:33.949 --> 00:27:37.210
And I remember him saying, and it really helped me a lot.

580
00:27:37.951 --> 00:27:42.153
He said he had a friend, he said probably one of the most godly men he knew.

581
00:27:43.033 --> 00:27:48.935
He said, I don't know that this man ever prayed more than 15 or 20 or 30 minutes at a time ever.

582
00:27:50.076 --> 00:27:57.019
He said, but he probably, he said, just from watching his lifestyle, he never went more than 15 minutes without breathing a prayer.

583
00:27:57.139 --> 00:27:58.759
Yeah, that's good.

584
00:27:58.779 --> 00:27:59.120
Wow.

585
00:28:00.220 --> 00:28:05.482
Because that helped me because, you know, particularly back in the day, bro, there was this, there was that whole thing.

586
00:28:05.502 --> 00:28:10.623
Remember the, you pray the Lord's Prayer was, was got Larry Lee and all those guys and all that stuff.

587
00:28:11.563 --> 00:28:16.845
And, and so all of a sudden all these people are doing 6 a.m. prayer, man, 6 a.m. prayer, like every day.

588
00:28:17.848 --> 00:28:22.973
And then the really good people went, not six to seven, six to eight.

589
00:28:24.815 --> 00:28:25.796
You remember that?

590
00:28:25.996 --> 00:28:27.158
And you would sneak out at seven.

591
00:28:27.298 --> 00:28:29.460
If you weren't praying for an hour, you weren't praying, brother.

592
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:34.946
And you'd sneak out at seven and feel like, ah, man, you know?

593
00:28:35.686 --> 00:28:40.371
And that whole thing, we put these things on us.

594
00:28:41.192 --> 00:28:44.354
Now, I think, you know, my pastor, Phil Pringle, talks about his prayer life.

595
00:28:44.374 --> 00:29:04.765
He gets up, he's done this for 40 years, get up at 5.30, 6 in the morning, something like that, spend time speaking in tongues, spend time in the Spirit, be in the Word, walk, pray, and he'll do 45 minutes, you know, an hour, and it's just part of his life, you know?

596
00:29:04.945 --> 00:29:06.686
And we have to do that.

597
00:29:07.466 --> 00:29:09.928
I find that if I don't,

598
00:29:11.129 --> 00:29:16.294
If I don't have a piece of paper with me, I get messed up.

599
00:29:17.435 --> 00:29:22.960
I'll get five minutes into prayer, maybe three, and be like, oh, shoot, I got to call Jamal.

600
00:29:24.522 --> 00:29:24.842
You know?

601
00:29:26.083 --> 00:29:28.365
And I'll be like, okay, I'll push that down.

602
00:29:29.126 --> 00:29:29.847
Yeah, yeah.

603
00:29:29.967 --> 00:29:30.928
And then, ah.

604
00:29:31.428 --> 00:29:32.570
And then you're going to forget it.

605
00:29:32.590 --> 00:29:35.012
I need to do it, you know, this thing.

606
00:29:37.065 --> 00:29:37.966
I'll push that down.

607
00:29:38.947 --> 00:29:41.768
Shoot, Judy, my wife asked me to do this.

608
00:29:42.129 --> 00:29:43.289
Ah, yeah, I forgot about that.

609
00:29:43.329 --> 00:29:43.990
I'll push that down.

610
00:29:44.390 --> 00:29:47.832
So I'll have a piece of paper, and it'll be notes like this.

611
00:29:47.852 --> 00:29:49.974
It'll be all these little things.

612
00:29:50.074 --> 00:29:52.255
I'll have a journal, get my journal.

613
00:29:52.395 --> 00:29:56.178
And so the front of my journal, from the front forward,

614
00:29:57.415 --> 00:30:01.458
is things I'm praying or things I've heard.

615
00:30:01.699 --> 00:30:06.442
I'll watch YouTube and message, or I'll carry it with me to an event.

616
00:30:07.023 --> 00:30:14.128
Now from the back, starting at the back, that way is stuff I need to do, dreams of that.

617
00:30:14.148 --> 00:30:15.810
Oh, that's good, yeah, yeah.

618
00:30:15.910 --> 00:30:18.912
So I can go to the back and go, oh, here's the projects we're working on.

619
00:30:19.012 --> 00:30:20.914
And they're both date-coded?

620
00:30:20.934 --> 00:30:21.234
Yeah.

621
00:30:21.634 --> 00:30:23.416
Yeah, it was the date on the front.

622
00:30:23.456 --> 00:30:23.756
Sure.

623
00:30:23.816 --> 00:30:25.457
Yeah, so I'm writing, okay.

624
00:30:25.758 --> 00:30:26.178
Oh, that's cool.

625
00:30:26.218 --> 00:30:36.666
So the front, and then usually, you know, at some point there, I filled up, usually it's more the stuff I'm listening to, or things I'm writing, or ideas, whatever.

626
00:30:36.786 --> 00:30:37.607
Just thoughts, yeah.

627
00:30:37.807 --> 00:30:39.789
That take up the bulk of it.

628
00:30:40.229 --> 00:30:44.493
But I'll go in the back and I'll go, man, that was a great idea.

629
00:30:45.714 --> 00:30:47.815
I need to come back to that.

630
00:30:48.016 --> 00:30:48.976
But you wrote it down.

631
00:30:49.838 --> 00:30:55.125
Because the worst thing is going, hey man, I really feel like I've got this, what was it the Lord gave you?

632
00:30:55.225 --> 00:30:58.108
Wow, it was, it was kind of like.

633
00:30:58.168 --> 00:30:58.469
Yeah.

634
00:30:59.230 --> 00:31:02.914
And so if I have that piece of paper, write those things down.

635
00:31:03.555 --> 00:31:06.118
And then what happens is I'm like, it's clear.

636
00:31:07.255 --> 00:31:09.797
Right now I can say, Lord, thank you.

637
00:31:10.438 --> 00:31:14.881
Gratefulness, you know, starting with gratefulness, you do these things.

638
00:31:15.061 --> 00:31:17.063
What's your rhythm of prayer, Rod?

639
00:31:17.964 --> 00:31:19.545
Well, you know, I was hoping we'd get there.

640
00:31:20.085 --> 00:31:22.908
You know, obviously I pray every day, obviously.

641
00:31:23.048 --> 00:31:25.690
That sounded weird, weird, but I do.

642
00:31:27.812 --> 00:31:29.813
Obviously, I'm on this podcast.

643
00:31:29.853 --> 00:31:30.594
You got vetted.

644
00:31:30.614 --> 00:31:33.116
You know, I had our people.

645
00:31:33.576 --> 00:31:35.498
I want to talk about the different kinds of prayer.

646
00:31:35.958 --> 00:32:03.618
oh right it's not just a one-size-fits-all like a baggy tracksuit prayer but i think it's ephesians paul says praying with every kind of prayer and so you know you talked about gratitude i i in my journal i have a space every day that i say here's the things i'm thankful for sometimes i just say i'm thankful for a cloud or whatever right just i mean i mean at the time when i'm sitting in my office looking outside but so i try to be thankful for everything i can and not just the same things but if we do that gratitude unlocks a whole bunch of stuff in us so

647
00:32:04.278 --> 00:32:05.939
And I don't have time to look up the survey.

648
00:32:05.959 --> 00:32:12.063
I wasn't think we're going to go there, but there's some data on a gratitude confessional and what that causes.

649
00:32:12.403 --> 00:32:13.644
Oh, it's super powerful.

650
00:32:13.844 --> 00:32:14.364
Oh, my goodness.

651
00:32:15.045 --> 00:32:16.786
So there's the prayer of Thanksgiving, right?

652
00:32:16.826 --> 00:32:18.086
There's the prayer of healing.

653
00:32:18.106 --> 00:32:18.647
There's the prayer.

654
00:32:18.707 --> 00:32:20.048
I mean, you figure it out, right?

655
00:32:20.068 --> 00:32:22.469
We can talk about, you know, whatever, but it's in Scripture.

656
00:32:22.889 --> 00:32:23.370
But I think.

657
00:32:24.310 --> 00:32:39.382
when we talk about like prayer in the morning, that may be just you and God in a relationship, you know, and then I don't know, sometimes I think I prank, you know, I pray and think at the same time because I'm like, I don't know if this is a prayer because I'm trying to talk to God like, ah, Lord, I want to press into you.

658
00:32:39.402 --> 00:32:40.243
What do you have for me today?

659
00:32:40.263 --> 00:32:40.583
Whatever.

660
00:32:40.623 --> 00:32:43.325
And then an idea comes and I go to my journal like you do.

661
00:32:43.345 --> 00:32:44.386
And I go, I got to write that down.

662
00:32:44.426 --> 00:32:49.290
And I'm like, that come for prayer because I'm thinking or like I have a busy day or a couple of meetings.

663
00:32:49.310 --> 00:32:50.711
I'm like, I just want to think through these things.

664
00:32:50.751 --> 00:32:51.692
God, help me think through them.

665
00:32:52.272 --> 00:32:58.917
And I don't know what kind of prayer that is, but it's a prayer that, like, my morning, it's not just all like, oh, holy father, how art thou?

666
00:32:59.037 --> 00:33:02.159
Psalm 42 says as the deer, you know, but like, yeah.

667
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.121
So I move in and out of different kinds of prayer.

668
00:33:05.321 --> 00:33:05.541
So.

669
00:33:05.681 --> 00:33:12.766
Dude, I think that's why a lot of guys, you know, we talk a lot and we practice that in our family, where we practice prayer with our family.

670
00:33:12.786 --> 00:33:13.787
But they're kids, right?

671
00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:19.124
And there would be time you'd pray with them, particularly at the end of the day as they're going to sleep or whatever.

672
00:33:19.184 --> 00:33:24.109
But you also have these times where you get together and say, hey, we're going to pray together and pray over these things.

673
00:33:24.989 --> 00:33:30.014
I think the reason a lot of men don't pray with their wives in particular is because they don't know the right words.

674
00:33:32.068 --> 00:33:33.509
We don't want to look like an idiot.

675
00:33:33.709 --> 00:33:33.949
Yeah.

676
00:33:34.129 --> 00:33:34.370
Right?

677
00:33:34.390 --> 00:33:35.330
In front of everybody.

678
00:33:35.710 --> 00:33:38.192
Or it's like, hey, okay, this came back from this thing.

679
00:33:38.392 --> 00:33:39.152
We're all praying.

680
00:33:39.673 --> 00:33:39.993
You know?

681
00:33:40.153 --> 00:33:42.434
And then it's, I'm doing this homework.

682
00:33:42.494 --> 00:33:43.635
You get in here now.

683
00:33:44.135 --> 00:33:46.376
And pretty soon you got everybody sitting there.

684
00:33:46.917 --> 00:33:47.617
It's like this.

685
00:33:48.137 --> 00:33:48.698
Oh, man.

686
00:33:49.458 --> 00:33:50.839
And you go, all right, we're going to pray.

687
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.002
And then, okay, thou barely who art the whole of all.

688
00:33:57.177 --> 00:34:04.399
And the thing is, I think what unlocks that is that personal prayer thing where you just go, Lord, I don't know how to do this.

689
00:34:05.219 --> 00:34:06.379
I really don't know what to say.

690
00:34:08.080 --> 00:34:09.800
But let me start with this.

691
00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:12.841
My Father, who art in heaven, holy is your name.

692
00:34:13.721 --> 00:34:14.401
Can you come?

693
00:34:14.601 --> 00:34:16.102
Will be done on earth as it's heaven.

694
00:34:17.213 --> 00:34:17.794
I believe that.

695
00:34:18.035 --> 00:34:18.676
I'm into that.

696
00:34:19.297 --> 00:34:20.459
Okay, forgive us our debts.

697
00:34:20.619 --> 00:34:22.422
Yeah, Lord forgive me of that.

698
00:34:22.863 --> 00:34:25.848
In fact, there's some stuff I need to forgive some others.

699
00:34:26.730 --> 00:34:30.637
And then that, if you will, that's a spine of prayer.

700
00:34:32.882 --> 00:34:40.425
I think that's a great concept, this whole thing that you mentioned about what kind of prayer it is.

701
00:34:40.745 --> 00:34:41.745
Sure.

702
00:34:41.785 --> 00:34:47.187
If we realize that there are different kinds of prayer, we're okay with what I said is prinking or whatever.

703
00:34:47.507 --> 00:34:48.808
I'm sure there's a prayer.

704
00:34:48.848 --> 00:34:49.588
Prayer and thinking?

705
00:34:49.828 --> 00:34:51.489
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

706
00:34:51.509 --> 00:34:55.210
But yours are like, okay, project thinking, like stuff.

707
00:34:55.610 --> 00:35:00.291
Man, I mean, do we really want to go into a big project without wisdom from God anyways?

708
00:35:00.931 --> 00:35:08.533
So I think there's this mystical, I guess what I'm trying to do is bring down the mystical only aspect of prayer.

709
00:35:09.033 --> 00:35:15.615
Like if we, like the mystical aspect of prayer, man, I was like in junior high and my grandfather was in this little Pentecostal church.

710
00:35:15.655 --> 00:35:18.275
And they're like, Brother Rieti, would you pose us off in prayer?

711
00:35:18.635 --> 00:35:21.176
And my grandfather, just normal guy, worked for Chevron Oil.

712
00:35:21.196 --> 00:35:24.817
And like, he stands up, he's like, Dear Father, Lord God, thou.

713
00:35:25.717 --> 00:35:26.519
Who is this guy?

714
00:35:26.879 --> 00:35:28.502
Your grandpa, you've never seen that before.

715
00:35:28.562 --> 00:35:30.204
I've never seen that side of him.

716
00:35:30.324 --> 00:35:31.586
This is my idol, my hero.

717
00:35:31.626 --> 00:35:34.030
And all of a sudden, he's like, James Earl Jones?

718
00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:37.275
I'm like, wow, King James, what?

719
00:35:38.321 --> 00:35:43.404
And so I think there's that part of it that we need to tear down and go, just like you were saying, just have a conversation.

720
00:35:43.504 --> 00:35:44.185
God, I'm here.

721
00:35:44.645 --> 00:35:47.727
You know, I have a friend that puts a chair out and says, Holy Spirit, what are you doing?

722
00:35:47.787 --> 00:35:49.568
He tries to really, yeah.

723
00:35:50.368 --> 00:35:51.189
Whatever you want to do.

724
00:35:51.229 --> 00:35:59.014
But I think if we're intentional, and I know that word keeps coming up a lot on our conversation here, but if we're intentional about prayer, I'm gonna spend some time praying, and I almost look at like,

725
00:36:00.010 --> 00:36:01.752
like a horizontal and a vertical thing at once.

726
00:36:01.812 --> 00:36:04.556
So I'm praying like for you, and so you use the Lord's Prayer.

727
00:36:04.656 --> 00:36:09.322
I'll get up sometimes like, I don't really have anything to pray today or maybe I need another cup of coffee to kick in.

728
00:36:09.622 --> 00:36:13.267
And so I just kind of pray along the line, like our Father, man, that's powerful.

729
00:36:13.287 --> 00:36:15.009
God, you're my Father, but you're our Father.

730
00:36:15.029 --> 00:36:16.011
You're everybody's Father.

731
00:36:16.811 --> 00:36:17.452
Who art in heaven?

732
00:36:17.532 --> 00:36:18.532
Man, you're up there.

733
00:36:18.612 --> 00:36:19.252
I'm down here.

734
00:36:19.753 --> 00:36:23.334
Oh man, speaking of down here, man, I was down in the dumps last night with my wife, man.

735
00:36:23.374 --> 00:36:23.954
I gotta get that.

736
00:36:23.995 --> 00:36:26.155
So I dive down deep on that.

737
00:36:26.376 --> 00:36:28.056
And then when I pray that through, God forgive me.

738
00:36:28.076 --> 00:36:30.137
As soon as she gets up, I'll apologize.

739
00:36:30.417 --> 00:36:31.278
Then we pop back up.

740
00:36:31.378 --> 00:36:33.079
You know, who art in heaven?

741
00:36:33.419 --> 00:36:34.159
Hallowed be thy name.

742
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:35.340
Oh God, your name's so holy.

743
00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:35.880
Oh man.

744
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:37.561
I profaned your name yesterday.

745
00:36:37.581 --> 00:36:40.063
I do a deep dive down on that and then I'll come back up.

746
00:36:40.143 --> 00:36:42.044
You know, like you talked about the spine.

747
00:36:42.484 --> 00:36:44.706
So it's horizontal and vertical as I, as I drill down.

748
00:36:44.726 --> 00:36:47.067
And then, you know, you're man, it's been like 30 minutes.

749
00:36:47.107 --> 00:36:47.748
I'm ready to roll.

750
00:36:48.388 --> 00:36:52.011
But you, you listen to God during those times where he says, here's where you need to drill down.

751
00:36:52.051 --> 00:36:52.371
Yeah.

752
00:36:53.372 --> 00:36:53.612
Yeah.

753
00:36:53.632 --> 00:36:55.573
And then the Holy spirit leads us, right?

754
00:36:55.613 --> 00:37:01.157
I mean, Jesus said, he said, I'm going to send you somebody who's going to lead you into these things.

755
00:37:01.737 --> 00:37:05.420
So as we pray as a follower of Jesus Christ, we're going to,

756
00:37:06.470 --> 00:37:13.414
The thing that we have that's not in a sense religious or by rules and regulation.

757
00:37:14.214 --> 00:37:15.515
You know, you think about Islam.

758
00:37:15.595 --> 00:37:17.176
Islam is a system of government.

759
00:37:17.236 --> 00:37:18.716
I know it's called a world religion.

760
00:37:19.237 --> 00:37:29.462
But if you really look at it, it's a system of government with certain marker points, which is why people act out the way they do because they're trying to hit markers.

761
00:37:31.130 --> 00:37:38.156
so that they're at a better level, that they're a higher thing, that they've earned the right to be able to do certain things.

762
00:37:38.837 --> 00:37:41.399
And with being a follower of Christ, he's our father.

763
00:37:42.060 --> 00:37:45.643
I think that's a really big piece of that.

764
00:37:46.003 --> 00:37:49.506
And as we pray then, it's an intimate thing.

765
00:37:50.127 --> 00:37:53.290
It's not based on marker points and that kind of stuff.

766
00:37:55.172 --> 00:37:59.380
Let me ask you, I've actually been thinking about this for a while.

767
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.088
What do you think about Joe Rogan being a spokesman for mankind, for men, for manhood?

768
00:38:04.850 --> 00:38:05.871
What's your take on that?

769
00:38:06.948 --> 00:38:08.129
Gosh, I mean.

770
00:38:08.149 --> 00:38:10.751
I mean, I don't want Joe to like, you know, go, eh.

771
00:38:10.871 --> 00:38:12.913
By the way, Joe needs to be on your podcast here.

772
00:38:12.933 --> 00:38:17.317
Joe, if you're listening, you need to get on the CNN podcast.

773
00:38:17.697 --> 00:38:20.720
I think he's stepped into a vacuum, right?

774
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:26.845
As the cultural pendulum swings and we become, you know, masculine becomes more effeminate or whatever.

775
00:38:26.905 --> 00:38:28.746
I'm painting with a big broad brush right now.

776
00:38:28.766 --> 00:38:29.027
Right, right.

777
00:38:29.527 --> 00:38:31.749
But yeah, we've seen stuff like, you know, and like,

778
00:38:33.787 --> 00:38:40.051
movies and, you know, TV shows, you're looking back, you know, in the 70s, you know, there's always a dumb bond and, you know, whatever.

779
00:38:40.071 --> 00:38:41.331
And there was those archetypes.

780
00:38:41.732 --> 00:38:43.293
And now it's like the clueless father.

781
00:38:43.593 --> 00:38:44.433
It's the clueless father.

782
00:38:44.493 --> 00:38:46.314
And I just read an article the other day.

783
00:38:46.334 --> 00:38:54.319
They were talking about a certain show on a kid's channel that like they referenced, like how dumb the dad was, like seven times average per episode or something.

784
00:38:54.339 --> 00:38:55.540
And I, oh, my goodness.

785
00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:57.301
But it's true.

786
00:38:57.341 --> 00:39:06.130
So as culture continues to weaken men and the role of man and, you know, to be a true man sometimes is all of a sudden toxic.

787
00:39:06.190 --> 00:39:07.571
And it's like, where does this go?

788
00:39:07.611 --> 00:39:11.515
And so Joe Rogan just has no, he has no cares.

789
00:39:11.535 --> 00:39:12.596
He's like, I'm just going to do this.

790
00:39:12.796 --> 00:39:15.579
I got like 800 trillion followers and I have my own money.

791
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:17.401
So I'm going to say it like it is.

792
00:39:17.741 --> 00:39:19.483
And so he's become this like, yeah.

793
00:39:19.923 --> 00:39:21.744
God says, I don't care.

794
00:39:22.284 --> 00:39:23.725
It's almost like the culture wars.

795
00:39:23.785 --> 00:39:27.227
Chick-fil-A's fighting him, and Hobby Lobby's fighting him, and where's the church?

796
00:39:27.667 --> 00:39:30.708
So now you've got Joe Rogan fighting for menhood, and where's the church?

797
00:39:32.029 --> 00:39:34.570
Well, you've got Bill Maher speaking up for the Christians in the UK.

798
00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:35.170
Oh, my word.

799
00:39:35.591 --> 00:39:36.091
Oh, my word.

800
00:39:37.752 --> 00:39:40.133
I'm like, bro, that's unbelievable, right?

801
00:39:40.213 --> 00:39:40.893
Yeah.

802
00:39:40.953 --> 00:39:48.677
Because philosophically, and so many issues like abortion and these things, and speaking of that, you've got Bill Burr,

803
00:39:49.865 --> 00:39:56.407
The comedian who I would not, he's pretty crude, I wouldn't suggest he even entertain it.

804
00:39:56.667 --> 00:40:03.810
Yet at the same time, he was talking about abortion and he brought it up as part of his act at Red Rocks.

805
00:40:04.970 --> 00:40:07.031
And he said, everybody should have free will.

806
00:40:07.711 --> 00:40:08.411
Everybody's like, yeah.

807
00:40:08.571 --> 00:40:11.892
He said, when it comes to abortion, everybody should be able to make a choice.

808
00:40:11.912 --> 00:40:13.233
Everybody's like, yeah.

809
00:40:13.313 --> 00:40:13.893
He goes, hang on.

810
00:40:14.661 --> 00:40:16.885
However, it is killing a baby.

811
00:40:18.247 --> 00:40:20.030
You're killing a baby.

812
00:40:20.891 --> 00:40:26.701
I'm like, man, this guy just spoke into the life of 100,000 men.

813
00:40:28.994 --> 00:40:29.234
Right?

814
00:40:29.754 --> 00:40:37.259
Because 80% of abortions are basically paid for or pushed on a woman by a guy.

815
00:40:37.919 --> 00:40:38.440
Okay?

816
00:40:39.040 --> 00:40:43.723
And maybe the other 20% is, I don't want to bring this child into the world because I'm going to have to find some guy to help me.

817
00:40:44.263 --> 00:40:48.086
Or I don't want the father to even be involved or whatever the case may be.

818
00:40:48.546 --> 00:40:50.827
But you've got that whole piece.

819
00:40:51.107 --> 00:40:52.068
And so, yeah.

820
00:40:52.208 --> 00:40:56.831
So amazing that we would have men who don't profess to be followers of Christ.

821
00:40:58.350 --> 00:41:09.133
who actually are speaking truth into culture, that maybe what that does is it spurs somebody to go, hey, there's gotta be some guys talking about these things.

822
00:41:09.818 --> 00:41:14.281
I think inherently there's some things that the Y chromosome is about.

823
00:41:14.741 --> 00:41:15.722
And we know those, right?

824
00:41:15.842 --> 00:41:16.923
It's the nature part.

825
00:41:16.943 --> 00:41:19.805
And then the nurture part is culturally crazy.

826
00:41:19.865 --> 00:41:22.847
And hopefully you have a sane family, but with the breakdown of fatherhood.

827
00:41:23.367 --> 00:41:28.831
So we're seeing a culture that needs more guys and strong, godly men than ever.

828
00:41:28.991 --> 00:41:30.993
Not, you know, Ug the caveman strong like...

829
00:41:31.533 --> 00:41:33.454
you know, which is sometimes how we get painted.

830
00:41:33.474 --> 00:41:34.495
Mm-hmm.

831
00:41:34.635 --> 00:41:39.898
But a strong, godly, sensitive, hearing the Holy Spirit.

832
00:41:40.259 --> 00:41:40.839
Heartstrong.

833
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:41.860
Yeah.

834
00:41:41.980 --> 00:41:44.861
I'm fairly conservative across the board in a lot of my values.

835
00:41:45.682 --> 00:41:55.568
And I think I purposely became more so when I realized when my kids were younger that I was the only one pressing the brakes here.

836
00:41:55.708 --> 00:41:57.830
I was the only one tapping the brakes saying, you know,

837
00:41:58.691 --> 00:42:05.140
Even Disney Channel, as innocuous it was, I saw some rebellions, some other stuff coming up, and I said, maybe this is not good.

838
00:42:05.541 --> 00:42:11.750
Life is not all a party and every kind of influence from media and TV, whatever, I'm not picking on certain venues.

839
00:42:11.770 --> 00:42:12.571
No, let's pick on them.

840
00:42:13.372 --> 00:42:14.053
Seriously.

841
00:42:14.673 --> 00:42:15.654
I remember my daughter.

842
00:42:15.714 --> 00:42:15.954
Yes.

843
00:42:16.254 --> 00:42:17.415
And it was a Disney Channel.

844
00:42:17.555 --> 00:42:19.797
And it was Miley Cyrus.

845
00:42:20.097 --> 00:42:21.558
And she was a cute little American heartbeat.

846
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.000
But she was so rebellious to her parents.

847
00:42:24.080 --> 00:42:24.961
She was rebellious.

848
00:42:25.341 --> 00:42:26.482
And it was just, it was sly.

849
00:42:26.542 --> 00:42:29.244
And it was looked at as kind of, oh, cute.

850
00:42:29.385 --> 00:42:29.625
Yeah.

851
00:42:29.645 --> 00:42:30.525
Or this is how we are.

852
00:42:31.086 --> 00:42:31.326
Yeah.

853
00:42:31.346 --> 00:42:31.606
Yeah.

854
00:42:31.847 --> 00:42:33.188
I always called her Smiling Virus.

855
00:42:33.668 --> 00:42:34.188
Not Miley Cyrus.

856
00:42:34.208 --> 00:42:34.589
Smiling Virus.

857
00:42:34.649 --> 00:42:35.069
Smiling Virus.

858
00:42:36.390 --> 00:42:37.972
Feel free to edit all this stuff down.

859
00:42:38.452 --> 00:42:40.854
But I used to need a little bit more embracing.

860
00:42:40.874 --> 00:42:44.758
That's the clip we're actually going to use as a promo.

861
00:42:44.778 --> 00:42:48.021
But the fact is, is that that's what I remember my daughter.

862
00:42:48.041 --> 00:42:52.324
I think it was Lindsay, my daughter, who said, yeah, we're not letting Reese watch SpongeBob anymore.

863
00:42:52.645 --> 00:42:52.805
Oh.

864
00:42:54.075 --> 00:42:55.297
I don't even know what the issue is.

865
00:42:55.357 --> 00:43:01.025
I just know they had an issue as parents of the way things were being portrayed of what was right and wrong.

866
00:43:01.386 --> 00:43:01.586
Yes.

867
00:43:02.107 --> 00:43:04.310
Like, you've got to curate this stuff, man.

868
00:43:05.131 --> 00:43:07.935
You know, if you don't teach your son how to be a man, somebody's going to teach him.

869
00:43:09.661 --> 00:43:09.881
Right?

870
00:43:10.642 --> 00:43:11.362
And who that is.

871
00:43:11.622 --> 00:43:12.402
It's gonna be the street.

872
00:43:13.603 --> 00:43:15.024
It's gonna be somebody on TikTok.

873
00:43:15.044 --> 00:43:15.644
Yeah, yeah.

874
00:43:15.664 --> 00:43:17.265
They're gonna put this little thing in their brain.

875
00:43:17.885 --> 00:43:19.426
You know, it's gonna be the Manosphere.

876
00:43:19.466 --> 00:43:19.686
Yeah.

877
00:43:19.986 --> 00:43:20.186
Right?

878
00:43:20.486 --> 00:43:21.167
So what do you think of that?

879
00:43:21.187 --> 00:43:22.107
The Manosphere thing, man.

880
00:43:22.607 --> 00:43:23.388
I don't know what this is.

881
00:43:23.728 --> 00:43:24.528
The Manosphere?

882
00:43:24.688 --> 00:43:25.049
I'm clueless.

883
00:43:25.089 --> 00:43:25.709
All those guys?

884
00:43:25.949 --> 00:43:27.270
My algorithm is not there.

885
00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:46.099
Well, there's a show on Netflix that's a documentary on the Manosphere, which is all these guys that have millions of followers, and forget all the different names, but all these different followers who treat women, who say, we love women, but we love them in their place.

886
00:43:47.999 --> 00:43:50.641
I want a sandwich at 11 o'clock, I tell her.

887
00:43:51.379 --> 00:43:53.780
So I love her, but she's going to do what I tell her to do.

888
00:43:54.341 --> 00:43:57.062
And all these young guys are going, yeah, yeah, yeah.

889
00:43:57.362 --> 00:44:02.805
And it is, I believe it's guys preying on unfathered men.

890
00:44:03.586 --> 00:44:03.846
Wow.

891
00:44:03.986 --> 00:44:04.766
The whole man's sphere.

892
00:44:05.287 --> 00:44:15.992
And it's men who are manipulating this little screen, right, and trying to use that to make money.

893
00:44:16.213 --> 00:44:18.334
And they're making money because they get enough followers.

894
00:44:19.146 --> 00:44:22.267
and they're just being as crude and rude as can be.

895
00:44:22.767 --> 00:44:27.109
And there's that thing in us of, I want to be unshackled, you know?

896
00:44:27.129 --> 00:44:28.350
I want to be a real man.

897
00:44:28.370 --> 00:44:30.690
This is what a man looks like, you know?

898
00:44:31.211 --> 00:44:38.193
I'm the king of the hill, I'm the king of my, I got a big car, and I got, you know, all that stuff, man.

899
00:44:38.413 --> 00:44:39.094
We get it so wrong.

900
00:44:39.134 --> 00:44:47.357
And you watch it, and you watch these guys' lives, actually, in a very short amount of time, a lot of these guys have made a lot of money, real quick,

901
00:44:48.016 --> 00:44:50.758
but their lives begin to unravel.

902
00:44:50.879 --> 00:44:52.180
Their lives begin to unravel.

903
00:44:52.900 --> 00:44:55.162
And so that's a documentary about the Manosphere.

904
00:44:55.703 --> 00:44:58.325
All the guys on the shows and TikTok and all this.

905
00:44:58.345 --> 00:44:59.106
Well, I haven't seen it.

906
00:44:59.146 --> 00:45:02.329
I don't want to comment on those things.

907
00:45:02.669 --> 00:45:03.630
Way too spicy.

908
00:45:04.711 --> 00:45:09.295
Well, but see, but that's what our young guys are being hit with.

909
00:45:09.395 --> 00:45:10.976
If they don't have a father, right?

910
00:45:10.996 --> 00:45:14.820
I mean, hopefully the father is not just there, but,

911
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:28.500
engaged and intentional because it's actually worse I think if there is a father that's there but he's like You know totally absent even though present but absent Then if there's no dad at all, I don't know but both are probably you know

912
00:45:29.568 --> 00:45:30.848
Let's go back to something.

913
00:45:30.868 --> 00:45:34.990
I want to finish with this about fatherhood because I think it's a great piece.

914
00:45:35.730 --> 00:45:38.791
You've got a son who's in high school, right?

915
00:45:39.811 --> 00:45:41.632
And my sons were in high school years ago.

916
00:45:42.372 --> 00:45:44.613
And things have changed in high schools, man.

917
00:45:44.913 --> 00:45:49.494
You know, my grandsons are in, you know, we've got two grandsons moving that direction, junior high.

918
00:45:49.854 --> 00:45:52.015
Another son, grandson, in high school.

919
00:45:52.735 --> 00:45:55.796
And it's just a different world than even when my kids were in.

920
00:45:56.236 --> 00:45:57.677
I asked my junior high school,

921
00:45:58.657 --> 00:46:01.580
you know, case and I said, hey, how much recess do you have?

922
00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:08.485
You know, how much free time during a day of education because we're so into the metrics of education.

923
00:46:08.965 --> 00:46:10.887
And did your district pass?

924
00:46:11.607 --> 00:46:12.628
You know, all this kind of stuff.

925
00:46:12.648 --> 00:46:13.169
Sure, sure.

926
00:46:13.589 --> 00:46:15.811
And he said, well, you have 15 minutes.

927
00:46:16.211 --> 00:46:21.115
I go, bro, he's a 13 year old guy, 12 year old now, be 13 soon.

928
00:46:21.735 --> 00:46:27.700
Getting 15 minutes of physical education, 15 minutes of just outside the classroom?

929
00:46:28.678 --> 00:46:33.922
You know, so I want you to riff on that a little bit because Sage is going to a school where they kind of get it.

930
00:46:34.502 --> 00:46:36.084
They do, they do boys well.

931
00:46:36.304 --> 00:46:37.625
They educate boys well.

932
00:46:37.645 --> 00:46:39.026
So what is it that, you know?

933
00:46:40.647 --> 00:46:45.971
I mean, there's been arguments made that the current public education system is very, you know, effeminate leaning, right?

934
00:46:46.011 --> 00:46:48.573
Like sit down, shut up, don't explore, don't do this.

935
00:46:48.593 --> 00:46:57.120
I remember my son had two pencils when he was in kindergarten, just two pencils crossing each other and he did this like a bow and arrow or something and he got sent to the principal's office.

936
00:46:57.842 --> 00:47:00.623
because he was doing a weapon and acting out.

937
00:47:00.663 --> 00:47:01.763
And I'm just like, oh my goodness.

938
00:47:02.583 --> 00:47:06.245
So he's in high school right now, and we love this high school system.

939
00:47:06.265 --> 00:47:10.086
It's an all-boys school, and they have educating boys down.

940
00:47:10.186 --> 00:47:11.686
Their mantra is men for others.

941
00:47:12.366 --> 00:47:19.889
And just right there, you're like, oh, if this is true, and so you walk on the campus, and it's, I'll say, almost palpable.

942
00:47:20.649 --> 00:47:22.870
You know, you see these boys, they're cut above.

943
00:47:23.210 --> 00:47:24.750
They have to wear, you know, uniforms.

944
00:47:24.770 --> 00:47:25.390
So they're wearing ties.

945
00:47:25.410 --> 00:47:26.451
What time do they start their day?

946
00:47:26.491 --> 00:47:27.471
This is fascinating to me.

947
00:47:27.931 --> 00:47:31.392
It later, nine o'clock, nine a.m. Yeah.

948
00:47:31.572 --> 00:47:35.373
See, I've got I've got grandsons who have to be in school at 745.

949
00:47:36.754 --> 00:47:37.174
Crazy.

950
00:47:37.334 --> 00:47:40.675
So guys show up early and they have open gym any time of the day.

951
00:47:40.875 --> 00:47:43.836
So guys show up early, go to the gym, like, you know, seven o'clock.

952
00:47:44.156 --> 00:47:47.617
Then they go and eat because the cafeteria is always open, always free.

953
00:47:48.447 --> 00:47:48.627
Wow.

954
00:47:49.047 --> 00:47:50.108
So they do that.

955
00:47:50.148 --> 00:47:52.709
They used to have a free period throughout the day that guys can do whatever.

956
00:47:52.829 --> 00:47:53.289
Go nap.

957
00:47:53.530 --> 00:47:54.050
They didn't care.

958
00:47:54.210 --> 00:47:54.770
Go nap.

959
00:47:55.150 --> 00:47:55.991
Go study hall.

960
00:47:56.091 --> 00:47:56.811
Do your homework.

961
00:47:57.291 --> 00:47:58.492
You couldn't leave campus or anything.

962
00:47:58.532 --> 00:48:03.555
But the examples they give, like I walked into one math class,

963
00:48:04.635 --> 00:48:07.536
A math teacher was doing some stuff on stats in baseball.

964
00:48:07.576 --> 00:48:11.616
And the whole illustration was baseball and how many miles an hour can this guy throw.

965
00:48:11.676 --> 00:48:15.637
And what's, I mean, I'm just, it's all catered to guys.

966
00:48:16.017 --> 00:48:18.057
And I know there's all girls schools that do the same.

967
00:48:18.077 --> 00:48:18.898
Yeah.

968
00:48:19.218 --> 00:48:30.139
But- So as dads, you know, with our young men, we have to purposely, on purpose, because we may not be able to find a school like that.

969
00:48:30.700 --> 00:48:33.100
So we have to purposely fill that in.

970
00:48:34.093 --> 00:48:34.453
For them.

971
00:48:35.153 --> 00:48:39.174
You know, if they gotta be there at 7.45, 8 o'clock, which I don't think boys even think until nine.

972
00:48:39.455 --> 00:48:40.195
I'm not gonna disagree.

973
00:48:40.235 --> 00:48:40.515
You know?

974
00:48:40.815 --> 00:48:41.935
And we're gonna stick with them.

975
00:48:41.955 --> 00:48:44.656
I remember Bryce, my youngest, he's in seventh grade.

976
00:48:45.056 --> 00:48:47.397
He's like, he's an active kid.

977
00:48:48.097 --> 00:48:48.817
He's an active guy.

978
00:48:48.837 --> 00:48:50.918
He's not a bad kid, just active.

979
00:48:51.558 --> 00:48:55.900
And I remember they called me and said, hey, why don't you come down to school?

980
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:57.180
I said, ah, shoot.

981
00:48:57.680 --> 00:48:58.741
And so I go down to school.

982
00:48:58.961 --> 00:48:59.521
It's in the afternoon.

983
00:48:59.561 --> 00:49:00.481
I go, well, what happened?

984
00:49:00.681 --> 00:49:02.382
I said, well, we're going to send him home for a day.

985
00:49:02.762 --> 00:49:03.383
I said, all right.

986
00:49:03.603 --> 00:49:04.383
He's a bad kid.

987
00:49:05.063 --> 00:49:05.423
Must be.

988
00:49:05.503 --> 00:49:06.884
And I'm like, dude, what'd he do?

989
00:49:06.904 --> 00:49:11.926
He'd like beat up a bunch of guys or he's smoking weed in seventh grade.

990
00:49:12.046 --> 00:49:12.566
I don't know.

991
00:49:13.166 --> 00:49:13.806
You know what I mean?

992
00:49:14.087 --> 00:49:15.247
And it's like, what'd he do?

993
00:49:15.727 --> 00:49:17.368
Well, he's disruptive.

994
00:49:18.251 --> 00:49:19.471
Okay, well, he talks.

995
00:49:19.712 --> 00:49:21.412
Okay, so what happened?

996
00:49:21.772 --> 00:49:24.233
Well, he had dropped a piece of paper.

997
00:49:24.373 --> 00:49:25.594
It's quiet time in the class.

998
00:49:25.854 --> 00:49:26.754
He dropped a piece of paper.

999
00:49:27.114 --> 00:49:29.195
He stood up to go get it, pick it up.

1000
00:49:29.935 --> 00:49:32.696
Another kid said something like, oh, you dropped your paper or something.

1001
00:49:32.716 --> 00:49:34.577
Teacher looked up, saw Bryce.

1002
00:49:34.597 --> 00:49:36.017
He goes, sit down.

1003
00:49:36.958 --> 00:49:37.378
Yes, ma'am.

1004
00:49:38.038 --> 00:49:40.959
So he sits down, you know, puts the piece of paper down.

1005
00:49:41.359 --> 00:49:43.280
Now the girl next to him,

1006
00:49:44.427 --> 00:49:47.071
She drops a piece of paper, like two things up.

1007
00:49:47.832 --> 00:49:49.515
Well, I've taught him to be a gentleman.

1008
00:49:50.256 --> 00:49:52.199
So what does he do?

1009
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:53.501
He gets up to get her.

1010
00:49:53.521 --> 00:49:54.302
Read the room, Bryce.

1011
00:49:54.543 --> 00:49:56.125
Not the guy.

1012
00:49:56.285 --> 00:49:58.569
He gets up to get her a piece of paper for her.

1013
00:49:59.990 --> 00:50:00.591
Teacher looks up.

1014
00:50:00.731 --> 00:50:01.752
I thought I said don't get up.

1015
00:50:01.832 --> 00:50:03.474
I'm getting her paper for her.

1016
00:50:03.934 --> 00:50:06.937
And then the other kids laugh, so now that's a thing, right?

1017
00:50:07.278 --> 00:50:08.819
Okay, so sit back down.

1018
00:50:09.160 --> 00:50:10.241
So now he's sitting there.

1019
00:50:10.301 --> 00:50:11.542
This is a true story, man.

1020
00:50:12.263 --> 00:50:15.126
So now at that point he's like, he's got a pencil.

1021
00:50:15.326 --> 00:50:16.387
So now he's got a, okay.

1022
00:50:16.627 --> 00:50:18.990
So he's got a pencil and he's writing stuff.

1023
00:50:19.010 --> 00:50:20.872
And he goes, ah man, this thing's not working.

1024
00:50:22.069 --> 00:50:31.162
So he gets up, goes to the pencil sharpener, and teacher looks up and says, I thought I told you not get up.

1025
00:50:31.643 --> 00:50:34.366
He goes, I'm not up.

1026
00:50:34.407 --> 00:50:35.428
He's standing there.

1027
00:50:35.788 --> 00:50:36.349
I'm not up.

1028
00:50:37.092 --> 00:50:40.833
Because he knew what she was meaning, don't be disruptive and get up.

1029
00:50:41.413 --> 00:50:43.414
He goes, I'm not up, I'm sharpening my pencil.

1030
00:50:43.714 --> 00:50:44.554
It's not the same thing.

1031
00:50:45.314 --> 00:50:46.495
She goes, no, you're up.

1032
00:50:46.775 --> 00:50:48.635
He goes, no, I'm sharpening my pencil.

1033
00:50:48.695 --> 00:50:49.456
She goes, out.

1034
00:50:51.536 --> 00:50:53.337
And I'm like, that's it?

1035
00:50:53.677 --> 00:50:54.017
Wow.

1036
00:50:54.237 --> 00:50:57.158
And I told the principal at that point, I said,

1037
00:50:57.878 --> 00:50:58.738
He's not a bad kid.

1038
00:50:59.319 --> 00:51:02.460
You just have rules that don't have an understanding.

1039
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.782
And I understand, you know, my daughter's a teacher, a public school teacher.

1040
00:51:06.282 --> 00:51:07.983
And there's some difficult moments.

1041
00:51:08.003 --> 00:51:09.704
So I understand that side of it.

1042
00:51:10.204 --> 00:51:13.986
But I took him out, and we went out and had a hamburger and a, you know, milkshake.

1043
00:51:14.626 --> 00:51:16.167
And I just began to minister to him.

1044
00:51:16.187 --> 00:51:16.768
I said, you know what?

1045
00:51:16.828 --> 00:51:17.688
You're not a bad kid.

1046
00:51:18.308 --> 00:51:18.548
Yeah.

1047
00:51:18.729 --> 00:51:20.950
So tomorrow, we're going to have a great time.

1048
00:51:21.870 --> 00:51:28.473
and I'm gonna take some time off, and we're gonna go do something, whatever it was, hitting golf balls or bowling or something, and we're gonna have a good time.

1049
00:51:29.113 --> 00:51:30.054
You're not a bad kid.

1050
00:51:30.334 --> 00:51:31.355
I just want you to know that.

1051
00:51:31.435 --> 00:51:32.015
That's awesome.

1052
00:51:32.375 --> 00:51:35.196
Now, next time, don't sharpen your pencil.

1053
00:51:35.296 --> 00:51:36.577
Just deal with it.

1054
00:51:36.617 --> 00:51:37.377
Listen to the teacher.

1055
00:51:37.737 --> 00:51:38.338
Take two pencils.

1056
00:51:38.378 --> 00:51:38.618
Right?

1057
00:51:39.438 --> 00:51:41.079
That's how we protect our kids.

1058
00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:45.101
We've got to say things to them that help enlarge their lives.

1059
00:51:45.321 --> 00:51:45.541
Yes.

1060
00:51:46.001 --> 00:51:46.241
Right?

1061
00:51:46.261 --> 00:51:47.262
That's good, that's good.

1062
00:51:47.282 --> 00:51:49.163
I think this is really a powerful concept.

1063
00:51:49.663 --> 00:51:49.883
Yes.

1064
00:51:50.523 --> 00:51:56.925
And I want to alleviate any guilt on people's, you know, that are listening right now, like, oh, my kid's not in a good school.

1065
00:51:57.025 --> 00:52:00.646
And, you know, he has to fight for his life every day, not to get his lunch money taken.

1066
00:52:00.666 --> 00:52:01.266
And these are real.

1067
00:52:01.746 --> 00:52:02.327
But you know what?

1068
00:52:02.367 --> 00:52:05.928
But that gives such an opportunity for men to raise up a little bit more.

1069
00:52:05.948 --> 00:52:13.910
Like, I got to figure out this manhood quicker than I thought, because my son's in second grade right now and I see the horizon and it's going to be tougher in fifth and sixth.

1070
00:52:13.970 --> 00:52:15.650
So how do I pour into him?

1071
00:52:15.710 --> 00:52:17.471
How do I have these conversations with him?

1072
00:52:17.491 --> 00:52:17.771
How do I?

1073
00:52:18.071 --> 00:52:21.012
I preload a time where we're gonna go hit mouth balls.

1074
00:52:21.032 --> 00:52:24.333
How do I think, like, how do I teach them negotiation skills?

1075
00:52:24.373 --> 00:52:27.634
Or just talk about, everybody talks about everything, right?

1076
00:52:27.714 --> 00:52:29.134
Except for good Christian parents.

1077
00:52:29.254 --> 00:52:30.355
Oh, we don't talk about sex.

1078
00:52:30.375 --> 00:52:31.815
We don't say the P word.

1079
00:52:31.835 --> 00:52:33.456
We don't talk about penis or whatever.

1080
00:52:33.476 --> 00:52:34.816
But everybody else uses this stuff.

1081
00:52:35.376 --> 00:52:41.279
So how do we be better intentional fathers by being better intentional men?

1082
00:52:41.459 --> 00:52:41.679
Yeah.

1083
00:52:41.819 --> 00:52:42.880
And I think that's the challenge.

1084
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:47.402
Not guilt to say, I wish I could put my kid in private school or wish I could, you know, be in a different neighborhood.

1085
00:52:47.622 --> 00:52:48.483
That's not the issue here.

1086
00:52:48.543 --> 00:52:50.124
The issue is hearing from God.

1087
00:52:50.544 --> 00:52:50.724
Yep.

1088
00:52:51.224 --> 00:52:54.746
So now you've come around full circle to it comes back to who we are as men.

1089
00:52:55.186 --> 00:52:55.446
Come on.

1090
00:52:55.887 --> 00:52:56.107
Right?

1091
00:52:57.208 --> 00:53:06.434
So now, the Bible talks about John 15, 13, no greater love does a man have, Jesus said, that a man laid down his life for his friends.

1092
00:53:07.094 --> 00:53:07.935
Do you lay down your life?

1093
00:53:08.035 --> 00:53:10.657
How do you lay down your life in today's culture?

1094
00:53:11.690 --> 00:53:14.792
Man, in the context of fatherhood, you get up when your son's up, right?

1095
00:53:15.253 --> 00:53:16.794
You get in there and make him a sandwich.

1096
00:53:16.814 --> 00:53:17.694
You make him his lunch.

1097
00:53:17.854 --> 00:53:19.195
Don't make him do it, right?

1098
00:53:19.215 --> 00:53:20.416
You spend intentional time.

1099
00:53:20.456 --> 00:53:21.517
You be at his game.

1100
00:53:22.198 --> 00:53:24.299
I don't care if it's a practice game or anything.

1101
00:53:24.319 --> 00:53:26.140
You want him to go, my dad was there every time.

1102
00:53:26.321 --> 00:53:29.903
I can't believe he came out to those games, sat in the rain, whatever.

1103
00:53:29.923 --> 00:53:30.664
It's an hour.

1104
00:53:31.264 --> 00:53:32.926
Really, you can't work off for an hour.

1105
00:53:33.006 --> 00:53:34.688
You can't get your stuff together for an hour.

1106
00:53:35.209 --> 00:53:35.669
Be there.

1107
00:53:35.730 --> 00:53:36.430
Be intentional.

1108
00:53:36.490 --> 00:53:38.573
Let him know that you're crazy about it.

1109
00:53:38.693 --> 00:53:39.674
Come on, man.

1110
00:53:39.754 --> 00:53:41.056
Do everything you can to dote on him.

1111
00:53:41.176 --> 00:53:44.600
Because let's be honest, he's in your house for 18 years.

1112
00:53:44.901 --> 00:53:45.561
At the most.

1113
00:53:45.641 --> 00:53:46.683
At the most, right?

1114
00:53:46.963 --> 00:53:49.606
And really, the good stuff is only like five or six years.

1115
00:53:50.387 --> 00:53:50.827
Wow.

1116
00:53:51.387 --> 00:53:51.827
You're right.

1117
00:53:52.127 --> 00:53:52.928
And then you got your wife.

1118
00:53:53.008 --> 00:53:55.908
Then it's you and wifey, so you better get that stuff worked out, too.

1119
00:53:55.928 --> 00:53:56.988
You better get that worked out, too.

1120
00:53:57.248 --> 00:53:58.989
But it all becomes by manhood, right?

1121
00:53:59.009 --> 00:54:00.629
So if you're a good man, you're going to be a good father.

1122
00:54:00.649 --> 00:54:01.969
You're going to be a good man, you're going to be a good husband.

1123
00:54:01.989 --> 00:54:03.450
All right, so it all comes back to you.

1124
00:54:04.110 --> 00:54:04.390
Come on.

1125
00:54:04.670 --> 00:54:05.410
Your choices.

1126
00:54:05.930 --> 00:54:06.190
Yes.

1127
00:54:06.350 --> 00:54:10.611
You know, that's such a real thing, man.

1128
00:54:11.171 --> 00:54:11.751
This is true.

1129
00:54:12.051 --> 00:54:15.212
Pick up your phone, and you go, oh, hang on.

1130
00:54:15.572 --> 00:54:16.372
I'm supposed to do this.

1131
00:54:16.392 --> 00:54:17.572
I'm supposed to text this guy.

1132
00:54:18.453 --> 00:54:19.833
But the Rangers are playing.

1133
00:54:20.874 --> 00:54:21.655
Let me check the score.

1134
00:54:22.516 --> 00:54:23.797
Oh, seventh inning, we're tied?

1135
00:54:24.618 --> 00:54:25.179
Fantastic.

1136
00:54:25.459 --> 00:54:26.140
Who's up to bat?

1137
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.684
And all of a sudden I'm down the rabbit hole.

1138
00:54:29.884 --> 00:54:30.304
It's so real.

1139
00:54:30.945 --> 00:54:33.568
It's like, oh, okay, where's our standings?

1140
00:54:33.728 --> 00:54:34.669
Hang on, bang.

1141
00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:36.511
You know, you check the standings, you go,

1142
00:54:37.252 --> 00:54:39.894
Oh man, I had no idea those guys were ahead of us.

1143
00:54:39.934 --> 00:54:40.174
Yeah.

1144
00:54:40.595 --> 00:54:42.636
You know, those dang Astros.

1145
00:54:42.716 --> 00:54:43.397
If you're from Houston.

1146
00:54:43.457 --> 00:54:51.143
And a tiny little side note to that, like our souls weren't created to carry the weight of the world, to know that there's a war in the Middle East, the Rangers are losing.

1147
00:54:51.163 --> 00:54:51.844
Come on, man.

1148
00:54:51.864 --> 00:54:55.266
You know, your kid got a detention, and then five things you got to do that day.

1149
00:54:55.967 --> 00:54:59.109
We were not created to hold all that info, but I just pressed pause.

1150
00:54:59.129 --> 00:55:00.070
No, you're right.

1151
00:55:00.270 --> 00:55:00.791
No, no, no.

1152
00:55:00.831 --> 00:55:01.611
That's a real thing.

1153
00:55:01.791 --> 00:55:03.413
Go there because that's huge.

1154
00:55:04.033 --> 00:55:07.355
Well, how much like false stress are we giving ourselves?

1155
00:55:07.375 --> 00:55:08.136
We don't even need to know.

1156
00:55:08.556 --> 00:55:09.777
Oh, they're behind too.

1157
00:55:10.297 --> 00:55:15.341
You know, there's two outs and we're on like, oh my gosh, like what did Trump do with the Straits of Hormuz?

1158
00:55:15.681 --> 00:55:17.302
Oh, look at this funny TikTok here.

1159
00:55:18.703 --> 00:55:25.468
We're so distracted, but it creates these like false like dialogues in our mind that we don't need to deal with these things.

1160
00:55:26.208 --> 00:55:28.430
So, and it wouldn't be there if we didn't have this demonic device.

1161
00:55:28.610 --> 00:55:32.833
Do you remember like in the 70s and 80s, people were taking their TVs out and shooting them with shotguns?

1162
00:55:33.994 --> 00:55:35.677
And that was only one TB for household.

1163
00:55:35.917 --> 00:55:37.720
Nope, nope, problem solved.

1164
00:55:38.200 --> 00:55:38.701
We're done.

1165
00:55:38.721 --> 00:55:45.992
If your kid is in second grade or more, they got a phone and everybody's at night, like everybody, seven o'clock at night after dinner, what's happening?

1166
00:55:46.272 --> 00:55:49.156
Everybody's on their phone doing their own thing, creating their own algorithm.

1167
00:55:49.846 --> 00:55:51.047
having this way to the world.

1168
00:55:51.067 --> 00:55:58.132
That's really interesting because we don't watch TV together, if you want to call it that, or shows or whatever.

1169
00:56:00.133 --> 00:56:01.635
We watch them independently.

1170
00:56:01.755 --> 00:56:05.017
We could be sitting in the same room with five devices.

1171
00:56:05.357 --> 00:56:05.637
Yes.

1172
00:56:06.318 --> 00:56:07.439
Watching five things.

1173
00:56:07.479 --> 00:56:07.759
Yeah.

1174
00:56:07.859 --> 00:56:08.900
Now, on the other hand,

1175
00:56:10.501 --> 00:56:12.422
You know, there's some YouTube shorts and stuff.

1176
00:56:12.803 --> 00:56:15.264
I don't want to go down that one with my grandkids.

1177
00:56:15.665 --> 00:56:18.147
It's like, when they watch that stuff, I'll go, okay.

1178
00:56:18.527 --> 00:56:22.149
You got the parent control on, you got all this to filter on, you got, oh, okay, good.

1179
00:56:22.630 --> 00:56:24.331
All right, we're gonna give you 30 minutes.

1180
00:56:25.012 --> 00:56:26.853
You can watch it one minute at a time.

1181
00:56:27.333 --> 00:56:28.754
That's it, then we're done.

1182
00:56:28.934 --> 00:56:30.155
Which is what their parents do too.

1183
00:56:30.916 --> 00:56:32.977
But man, that is a big deal.

1184
00:56:32.997 --> 00:56:34.919
So distraction, man, the devil's hammer.

1185
00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:36.140
Oh goodness, yeah.

1186
00:56:36.740 --> 00:56:38.461
Distraction, the devil's hammer.

1187
00:56:39.542 --> 00:56:39.782
Yeah.

1188
00:56:40.003 --> 00:56:44.166
So if we lay down our life for others, okay, check this out.

1189
00:56:44.646 --> 00:56:49.129
So you got half the guys listening or watching or not dads, right?

1190
00:56:49.409 --> 00:56:49.549
Okay.

1191
00:56:49.990 --> 00:56:53.012
So now that guy's going, yeah, I'm exempt from that thing.

1192
00:56:53.912 --> 00:57:00.497
No, because the spirit of a father means that you're going to help somebody else be a better man.

1193
00:57:00.857 --> 00:57:01.058
Yes.

1194
00:57:01.078 --> 00:57:01.718
Okay.

1195
00:57:01.922 --> 00:57:02.122
Right.

1196
00:57:02.142 --> 00:57:03.083
Because God loved us.

1197
00:57:03.123 --> 00:57:03.823
We love others.

1198
00:57:04.583 --> 00:57:05.304
Gave his life.

1199
00:57:05.644 --> 00:57:11.127
So so I laid down my life by getting my stuff together.

1200
00:57:12.707 --> 00:57:22.092
So that when I meet a man this Saturday and we're sitting at a ballgame or something, he starts telling me something I can help him.

1201
00:57:23.182 --> 00:57:49.029
uh... i don't have trash brain yeah i got something so i prepare myself for that guy i don't know when that guy's coming so i don't know and so this is this is a real deal for me because i can go down i can start reading stuff and then that leads to another thing now all of a sudden i'm in the wall street journal and reading this article and then i look down and so there's a

1202
00:57:49.749 --> 00:57:53.871
Part of that is part of what is good for me, to study things, to know culture.

1203
00:57:54.711 --> 00:57:58.453
And yet at the same time, it can also distract me from what I need to have.

1204
00:57:59.373 --> 00:58:07.117
The next time I'm on a phone with a guy, or I meet with somebody, and he says, hey man, I've got this thing.

1205
00:58:07.777 --> 00:58:08.377
So what is it?

1206
00:58:09.117 --> 00:58:13.379
He starts telling me, all right, I got something.

1207
00:58:13.419 --> 00:58:14.420
I think I got something.

1208
00:58:15.521 --> 00:58:39.121
right and then the other thing that happens right i think this distraction piece is accusation of the enemy you don't measure up you're no good you're fake trying to do all this with your kids yeah look at your friend look what they're playing look what they're doing you're not doing any of that how do you deal with that i mean comparison is is a horrible trap

1209
00:58:40.874 --> 00:58:44.821
I was just reading the, re-reading the distracted generation.

1210
00:58:46.483 --> 00:58:54.015
And the stuff that like, I know this is a men's podcast, but the stuff that women go through in comparison on social media,

1211
00:58:54.681 --> 00:58:58.263
Men and boys are usually dinking around on games and wasting time or whatever.

1212
00:58:58.963 --> 00:59:02.605
I think, man, we need to set our own limits, right?

1213
00:59:02.625 --> 00:59:04.766
Because you said earlier, how we practice is how we play.

1214
00:59:05.286 --> 00:59:12.090
And so if we're used to picking up our phone about everything, I mean, you and I could be talking about the Rangers right now and like, I go, oh, what are their standings, right?

1215
00:59:12.110 --> 00:59:17.172
And so then we just, we go there and like, but it's innocuous because it's just you and I and it's just one thing of our phone.

1216
00:59:17.832 --> 00:59:22.695
I did a thing recently, I said, I wonder how many times a day I touch my phone.

1217
00:59:23.375 --> 00:59:25.697
Not just turn it on, not look, scroll, but touch it.

1218
00:59:26.277 --> 00:59:28.758
Pick it up, take it from the car, take it to a meeting.

1219
00:59:29.299 --> 00:59:29.619
I don't know.

1220
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.020
I think there's data on there, but it's way more.

1221
00:59:32.040 --> 00:59:33.261
Do you think there is?

1222
00:59:33.281 --> 00:59:34.042
Yeah, I think there is.

1223
00:59:34.202 --> 00:59:34.802
You think there is?

1224
00:59:34.862 --> 00:59:35.423
Let's look it up.

1225
00:59:35.603 --> 00:59:37.384
Probably they don't want you to know.

1226
00:59:38.745 --> 00:59:40.105
I mean, do you think 100?

1227
00:59:40.366 --> 00:59:42.327
I bet we touch our phone 100 times a day.

1228
00:59:42.667 --> 00:59:43.247
Wow.

1229
00:59:44.428 --> 00:59:45.329
That's wild.

1230
00:59:46.109 --> 00:59:51.693
And there's 10 billion phone devices in the world and 8 billion people.

1231
00:59:51.733 --> 00:59:52.213
Isn't that funny?

1232
00:59:53.123 --> 00:59:53.503
Wow.

1233
00:59:53.984 --> 00:59:55.505
I'm only cool enough to have one phone.

1234
00:59:55.645 --> 00:59:56.825
I have friends that are cool.

1235
00:59:56.845 --> 01:00:01.748
And what's wild is I think there's somewhere a billion and a half or two billion that actually don't have phones.

1236
01:00:02.449 --> 01:00:07.852
So the average guy's got one and a half in his household, or maybe two, right?

1237
01:00:08.633 --> 01:00:13.916
You know, because if you've got anybody else in your household, you're probably taking care of that one too.

1238
01:00:14.136 --> 01:00:14.376
Yeah.

1239
01:00:14.537 --> 01:00:18.039
And if you've got two children that are teens, and I get it.

1240
01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:20.981
I like it in the sense of we can keep track.

1241
01:00:22.202 --> 01:00:39.321
where your 15 year old is and if she's in trouble you know she can pick me up boom right then you know or you can track them you go the tracking thing see how fast they're driving you can see how fast they're driving I'm on to you son

1242
01:00:40.142 --> 01:00:42.664
It's like, that's funny, man.

1243
01:00:43.325 --> 01:00:45.206
I like that, but I dig all that stuff.

1244
01:00:45.806 --> 01:00:55.654
Because it does create a level of truth and vulnerability and openness and really safety in the world in which we live.

1245
01:00:56.094 --> 01:00:58.596
But at the same time, it can be such a trap for us, man.

1246
01:00:58.736 --> 01:00:59.077
Man.

1247
01:00:59.677 --> 01:01:00.037
You're right?

1248
01:01:00.318 --> 01:01:00.558
Yes.

1249
01:01:00.718 --> 01:01:08.144
So again, you get back into the Word and you go, oh, look at Peter, man, denying Christ.

1250
01:01:09.078 --> 01:01:12.039
You're like, wow, crazy.

1251
01:01:12.339 --> 01:01:12.639
Look at it.

1252
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.701
He denied Christ, and yet he's still the guy to help start the church?

1253
01:01:17.961 --> 01:01:18.661
How does that work?

1254
01:01:19.501 --> 01:01:23.483
Now, I'm feeling like, okay, he's a guy.

1255
01:01:23.623 --> 01:01:24.903
I'm a guy.

1256
01:01:25.824 --> 01:01:27.044
Maybe that's who God uses.

1257
01:01:27.344 --> 01:01:30.125
It's just men who are willing to keep pushing through.

1258
01:01:30.145 --> 01:01:32.146
Because Peter didn't mess up once.

1259
01:01:32.226 --> 01:01:34.286
It was multiple times, right?

1260
01:01:34.526 --> 01:01:37.467
And King David, the guy in the Old Testament, king of Israel, right?

1261
01:01:38.048 --> 01:01:38.828
Kind of messed up.

1262
01:01:40.585 --> 01:01:41.525
Then he writes Psalms.

1263
01:01:43.246 --> 01:01:43.506
Right?

1264
01:01:44.387 --> 01:01:50.349
So the Word helps me center my life in the fact that being human is okay.

1265
01:01:50.569 --> 01:01:53.710
I'm not supposed to be something I'm not.

1266
01:01:55.451 --> 01:01:57.492
And you got that from reading, not just going to church.

1267
01:01:59.462 --> 01:02:02.523
Yeah, going to church is where you find your band of brothers.

1268
01:02:03.023 --> 01:02:12.026
I'm convinced that is the safest, best, most powerful way to find your band of brothers, your compadres, is through a local church.

1269
01:02:12.606 --> 01:02:17.828
In fact, everything that we do with Christian Men's Network points toward, hey, you need to be with a group of guys.

1270
01:02:18.708 --> 01:02:23.874
and you may have come in out of a different setting and you think, I don't know if I fit here.

1271
01:02:24.375 --> 01:02:28.219
And there may be, you know, you may go to a particular church and go, I don't know if I fit there.

1272
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:29.821
Well then, try the one, you know,

1273
01:02:30.745 --> 01:02:31.706
a couple blocks away.

1274
01:02:31.726 --> 01:02:31.906
Sure.

1275
01:02:32.347 --> 01:02:38.073
Just go find that crew that becomes your crew because you need those guys and they need you.

1276
01:02:39.094 --> 01:02:39.314
Right?

1277
01:02:40.235 --> 01:02:43.318
Isn't that a temptation just to kind of be siloed?

1278
01:02:43.538 --> 01:02:48.904
I'm going to do it on my own and like we talked earlier, when we were with other people, we realized, I have the same problems.

1279
01:02:48.944 --> 01:02:50.065
We read the same things.

1280
01:02:50.085 --> 01:02:50.706
We do the same things.

1281
01:02:51.086 --> 01:02:52.388
But as long as we're siloed,

1282
01:02:52.908 --> 01:02:58.893
That's a tool of the enemy, I think, to divide and distract and divide and conquer and just keep us separate.

1283
01:02:58.913 --> 01:02:59.854
We need it.

1284
01:02:59.894 --> 01:03:00.794
So there's the challenge.

1285
01:03:01.115 --> 01:03:02.355
Man, guys, get connected.

1286
01:03:02.596 --> 01:03:10.642
The highest percentage of male suicide, 90% of suicide in the United States is men, right?

1287
01:03:10.662 --> 01:03:10.942
Sure.

1288
01:03:11.162 --> 01:03:22.091
So of that, the highest percentage per capita, in other words, per 100,000, the highest rate of suicide among men in the United States is Montana.

1289
01:03:24.067 --> 01:03:26.349
goes back and forth between Montana and Alaska.

1290
01:03:27.930 --> 01:03:29.972
I looked at it when I first saw it a number of years ago.

1291
01:03:30.894 --> 01:03:33.335
That's weird, you would think it was being a high stress place.

1292
01:03:33.895 --> 01:03:41.657
You know, Chicago or a place that's having a really rough time with different things going on in New York City or whatever.

1293
01:03:41.677 --> 01:03:48.759
You go, ah, you know, people don't know each other, they're bustin', you walk down the sidewalk, you run into people and all that kind of stuff.

1294
01:03:49.179 --> 01:03:51.079
That's Montana or Alaska, why?

1295
01:03:51.120 --> 01:03:52.060
Because the man's isolated.

1296
01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:55.461
Because there's a sense of, figure it out yourself, man.

1297
01:03:55.481 --> 01:03:57.301
You're on your own, you suck it up, buttercup.

1298
01:03:57.881 --> 01:03:59.382
You know, it's the man on the horse.

1299
01:04:00.503 --> 01:04:05.748
riding off in the sunset by himself because he's a, you know, the Marlboro Man thing.

1300
01:04:06.028 --> 01:04:06.289
Yeah.

1301
01:04:06.549 --> 01:04:06.789
Right?

1302
01:04:07.450 --> 01:04:14.396
How important do you think it is for every guy to have, like, two or three people in their phone right now that they can call with anything at any time?

1303
01:04:14.537 --> 01:04:16.098
Well, it's an imperative.

1304
01:04:16.558 --> 01:04:17.159
It's an imperative.

1305
01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:20.262
You've got to be able to... You know, it's...

1306
01:04:20.282 --> 01:04:20.722
Here's the thing.

1307
01:04:21.243 --> 01:04:21.703
Courage...

1308
01:04:22.524 --> 01:04:24.507
Character is built, right?

1309
01:04:24.547 --> 01:04:26.971
You can have inner character through the Word of God.

1310
01:04:27.431 --> 01:04:29.595
But courage comes when you're standing with a guy.

1311
01:04:29.975 --> 01:04:30.055
Mm.

1312
01:04:30.576 --> 01:04:31.297
Oh, that's interesting.

1313
01:04:31.317 --> 01:04:31.537
Right?

1314
01:04:31.678 --> 01:04:36.705
It's like women bond face to face, but men bond shoulder to shoulder facing the challenge.

1315
01:04:37.466 --> 01:04:39.689
You know, you think about in battle, and they teach this.

1316
01:04:39.789 --> 01:04:45.135
You know, my niece's husband, Vic, is a teacher at the War College, an instructor.

1317
01:04:45.675 --> 01:04:48.038
He's a major in the Armed Forces.

1318
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:53.984
And he said, yeah, he said, the thing you learn is that when you send men out,

1319
01:04:55.007 --> 01:05:02.190
They have a cause, but when the bullets are flying, you're not fighting for the flag in that sense.

1320
01:05:02.210 --> 01:05:03.711
You're fighting for the man next to you.

1321
01:05:04.431 --> 01:05:05.712
And that's what they teach.

1322
01:05:06.152 --> 01:05:10.494
The reason you don't run is because that guy needs you.

1323
01:05:11.730 --> 01:05:14.572
And the reason he doesn't run is because he's got you.

1324
01:05:15.693 --> 01:05:17.854
And so you don't run because you're together.

1325
01:05:17.874 --> 01:05:18.255
That's good.

1326
01:05:18.655 --> 01:05:18.895
Right?

1327
01:05:19.015 --> 01:05:19.816
Yeah.

1328
01:05:19.856 --> 01:05:20.736
So that's the fight.

1329
01:05:20.756 --> 01:05:23.138
You've got to have guys that walk with you.

1330
01:05:23.158 --> 01:05:24.739
You've got to have some guys you can call.

1331
01:05:25.260 --> 01:05:29.042
You've got to have some guys you can call when you're, I mean, think about this.

1332
01:05:29.283 --> 01:05:29.983
You travel a lot.

1333
01:05:30.003 --> 01:05:30.644
I travel a lot.

1334
01:05:30.724 --> 01:05:32.045
Who do you call in the middle of the night?

1335
01:05:32.745 --> 01:05:39.114
You know, when something happens and your wife is like, I can't handle this, and you go, okay, let me call Bill.

1336
01:05:40.035 --> 01:05:41.257
Let me call this guy.

1337
01:05:41.277 --> 01:05:42.118
Let me call my son.

1338
01:05:43.179 --> 01:05:47.766
And so you've got to have some men that you say, hey, I mean, think about this, man.

1339
01:05:47.846 --> 01:05:48.847
You've got to have those guys.

1340
01:05:49.508 --> 01:05:50.269
Have to, yeah.

1341
01:05:50.449 --> 01:05:51.330
Like you said, it's imperative.

1342
01:05:51.671 --> 01:05:52.232
It truly is.

1343
01:05:52.652 --> 01:05:56.878
And not DMing somebody from, you know, that you don't know or following somebody.

1344
01:05:56.898 --> 01:05:59.561
Like, it has to be somebody that will pick up the phone if you call.

1345
01:05:59.821 --> 01:06:00.602
Right, that's the rule.

1346
01:06:00.763 --> 01:06:02.565
It's like, you know, hey, how many friends got?

1347
01:06:02.585 --> 01:06:03.306
I got 1,865 friends on Facebook.

1348
01:06:08.143 --> 01:06:09.324
I think it is some other time.

1349
01:06:09.384 --> 01:06:10.264
It's Dunbar's number.

1350
01:06:10.304 --> 01:06:14.907
Dunbar's number is a psychologist out of the UK, came up with this years ago.

1351
01:06:15.748 --> 01:06:16.669
And the number is 148.

1352
01:06:16.689 --> 01:06:19.751
And it's how many people you can hold

1353
01:06:20.710 --> 01:06:23.532
in suspense in personal relationship.

1354
01:06:24.192 --> 01:06:25.233
It's called Dunbar's number.

1355
01:06:26.314 --> 01:06:27.935
Sales people use it as 150.

1356
01:06:28.175 --> 01:06:49.430
That's how many people, every person you touch, Joe Girard when he wrote The Greatest Salesman Who Ever Lived about himself, which was called permission marketing, became permission marketing with Seth Godin and all that, was he realized every person, and he got this by, for him it was just he saw it, he went to funerals and 150 people showed up on average.

1357
01:06:50.218 --> 01:06:57.343
He goes, wow, everybody I touch in a positive manner touches 150 other people.

1358
01:06:58.144 --> 01:07:00.886
So he began this whole thing of, hey, here's a business card.

1359
01:07:01.686 --> 01:07:03.488
I'm going to give you five of them.

1360
01:07:03.508 --> 01:07:04.929
Give it to somebody.

1361
01:07:05.189 --> 01:07:06.490
It's got your name on the back.

1362
01:07:07.190 --> 01:07:15.456
And if that guy comes and buys a car from me, you're getting a spiff, whatever it is, a meal at Outback or something, right?

1363
01:07:15.937 --> 01:07:17.558
And that began that whole thing.

1364
01:07:17.968 --> 01:07:21.691
type of marketing and sales, which was based on that.

1365
01:07:21.771 --> 01:07:22.771
So let's come back.

1366
01:07:22.831 --> 01:07:24.232
Dunbar's number 148.

1367
01:07:26.314 --> 01:07:30.937
You've got to have inside that, you've got to have those men that are closer.

1368
01:07:30.977 --> 01:07:35.840
Jesus said three, 12, 72, right?

1369
01:07:36.121 --> 01:07:37.301
On and on and on.

1370
01:07:37.602 --> 01:07:40.143
People that didn't leave, people that were there at the cross.

1371
01:07:40.203 --> 01:07:41.785
He had disciples at the cross.

1372
01:07:42.185 --> 01:07:45.307
So he was able to look down and go, hey, man, take care of my mom.

1373
01:07:47.773 --> 01:07:51.558
I mean, Jesus needed men around him.

1374
01:07:52.318 --> 01:07:54.421
Like, they may have fallen asleep, but they were there.

1375
01:07:55.843 --> 01:07:56.143
Right?

1376
01:07:56.463 --> 01:07:59.307
When he's praying this thing about, Lord, take this cup from me.

1377
01:08:00.088 --> 01:08:03.351
So, if Jesus needed that, we need that.

1378
01:08:04.249 --> 01:08:08.272
And I don't know how you navigate life without being able to just decompress with someone.

1379
01:08:08.812 --> 01:08:11.034
Do you think men know how to make a friend?

1380
01:08:11.494 --> 01:08:16.317
If they don't have them, there may be somebody lonely listening right now going, I don't know how, give me a practical, how do I make a friend?

1381
01:08:16.857 --> 01:08:18.418
Do you think people ask that?

1382
01:08:18.458 --> 01:08:19.739
Well, I think it's proximity, right?

1383
01:08:20.860 --> 01:08:21.841
proximity to friendship.

1384
01:08:22.561 --> 01:08:24.843
I don't think that you maintain relationships.

1385
01:08:26.764 --> 01:08:36.131
There are some relationships you may have with a guy overseas, you know, somewhere or across the country, and you don't see each other for two years, and then you see each other, and it's on.

1386
01:08:36.811 --> 01:08:38.873
You're just like, it's just on.

1387
01:08:39.493 --> 01:08:41.635
You know, it doesn't matter where you're at, it's just on.

1388
01:08:42.255 --> 01:08:45.938
And you spend the next few hours talking about downloading everything and that kind of thing.

1389
01:08:46.518 --> 01:08:47.818
But I think it's proximity.

1390
01:08:47.938 --> 01:08:56.340
I think that that's why the local church is key to a healthy lifestyle.

1391
01:08:56.440 --> 01:08:59.620
Is just showing up at a men's pancake breakfast on Saturday morning.

1392
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.141
Is that is that enough to go, OK, somebody I should get a friend out of this somehow.

1393
01:09:03.741 --> 01:09:06.761
I don't know how, but what's the Bible teach?

1394
01:09:07.882 --> 01:09:09.542
If you want to have a friend, be friendly.

1395
01:09:09.802 --> 01:09:10.162
It's good.

1396
01:09:10.642 --> 01:09:10.862
Right.

1397
01:09:11.602 --> 01:09:12.583
So you find somebody.

1398
01:09:12.723 --> 01:09:13.743
So you put it out there first.

1399
01:09:14.723 --> 01:09:15.363
Well, yeah.

1400
01:09:16.698 --> 01:09:19.842
I mean, I believe in divine coincidences.

1401
01:09:20.583 --> 01:09:22.826
You know, I believe you're going to be standing and talking to some guy.

1402
01:09:22.886 --> 01:09:24.408
You know, you go to the pancake breakfast.

1403
01:09:25.089 --> 01:09:27.312
But then, you know, don't just sit there, man.

1404
01:09:27.432 --> 01:09:28.373
Just talk to the guy next to you.

1405
01:09:28.393 --> 01:09:29.635
Yeah, don't be the creepy guy in the corner.

1406
01:09:29.655 --> 01:09:30.636
Don't be the creepy guy in the corner.

1407
01:09:30.656 --> 01:09:31.597
But don't be the weirdo, too.

1408
01:09:31.617 --> 01:09:32.198
Like, how you doing?

1409
01:09:32.218 --> 01:09:34.121
You know, don't over talk, right?

1410
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:47.910
So the thing is, is that now the other thing about a healthy local church is there will be healthy men there who will meet you and go, hey, like Jesse, you know, here's.

1411
01:09:48.451 --> 01:09:49.351
Oh, you're in media.

1412
01:09:49.772 --> 01:09:56.838
Well, my friend Jesse here, who's shooting this stuff for us for Christmas Network, my friend Jesse's in the same thing.

1413
01:09:58.258 --> 01:10:00.760
Now he knows a guy, right?

1414
01:10:01.280 --> 01:10:03.282
And then that leads to other relationships.

1415
01:10:03.842 --> 01:10:11.067
So that's part of what we do as pastors and leaders is we help men become healthy by helping them meet other men.

1416
01:10:11.507 --> 01:10:13.008
That's what the Christian Men's Network is about.

1417
01:10:13.368 --> 01:10:16.451
That's why we call it a network, a brotherhood, right?

1418
01:10:16.951 --> 01:10:19.212
So it's not just about meeting guys.

1419
01:10:19.312 --> 01:10:26.998
Oh, hey, you're going to buy insurance from me or you're going to buy a car from me or you're going to use my landscaping service, whatever it may be.

1420
01:10:27.538 --> 01:10:32.180
It's not, you're gonna help me become healthier because we're gonna be friends, right?

1421
01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:32.840
I like it.

1422
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.861
I think that has to be where we live.

1423
01:10:35.301 --> 01:10:35.541
Yeah.

1424
01:10:35.641 --> 01:10:44.404
You know, we've got seven out of 10 high school students today dealing with what could be diagnosis, clinical anxiety disorder.

1425
01:10:45.785 --> 01:10:46.285
Seven out of 10.

1426
01:10:47.208 --> 01:10:47.929
How does that get healed?

1427
01:10:48.189 --> 01:10:49.590
You and me, we get healthy.

1428
01:10:50.350 --> 01:10:53.173
The guys listening, we get healthy, and we help those guys.

1429
01:10:54.073 --> 01:10:54.233
Right?

1430
01:10:54.413 --> 01:10:55.054
We get healthy.

1431
01:10:55.414 --> 01:10:56.375
It doesn't mean we're perfect.

1432
01:10:56.395 --> 01:10:58.617
It doesn't mean we have everything together.

1433
01:10:59.797 --> 01:11:05.802
But it does mean we're following Christ, and all I need to be to help another guy is a step ahead.

1434
01:11:07.302 --> 01:11:08.363
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

1435
01:11:08.463 --> 01:11:09.183
And I reach out of hand.

1436
01:11:09.343 --> 01:11:10.144
Go ahead, man, come on.

1437
01:11:10.464 --> 01:11:10.664
Yeah.

1438
01:11:11.365 --> 01:11:14.827
I'm not, I don't have to be some high-level something.

1439
01:11:15.447 --> 01:11:16.588
That's gotta be a guy, yeah.

1440
01:11:16.988 --> 01:11:19.110
Yeah, man, you know, let me pray with you then.

1441
01:11:19.130 --> 01:11:23.933
I don't necessarily know, you know, I've never had a drug addiction, you know?

1442
01:11:24.053 --> 01:11:24.973
This guy's got a thing.

1443
01:11:25.294 --> 01:11:26.655
But I do know he needs a friend.

1444
01:11:27.944 --> 01:11:28.164
Right?

1445
01:11:28.605 --> 01:11:30.827
And I can help him go to somebody.

1446
01:11:31.447 --> 01:11:32.348
I can pray with him.

1447
01:11:33.008 --> 01:11:34.109
I can pray for him.

1448
01:11:34.570 --> 01:11:35.190
He may have to.

1449
01:11:35.210 --> 01:11:39.054
I had a guy, a friend that recently went to a one-month in-care thing.

1450
01:11:40.074 --> 01:11:41.716
I'm like, and we couldn't text during.

1451
01:11:42.056 --> 01:11:44.558
So I prayed over him and with him before he left.

1452
01:11:44.959 --> 01:11:46.960
And then right after I go back, like, hey, how you doing?

1453
01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:47.381
How you doing?

1454
01:11:47.401 --> 01:11:48.021
What's going on?

1455
01:11:48.582 --> 01:11:49.723
Stay tight with that thing.

1456
01:11:50.203 --> 01:11:50.584
Talk.

1457
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:52.180
You know, be a friend.

1458
01:11:52.821 --> 01:11:54.684
That's the deal right there, man.

1459
01:11:55.245 --> 01:11:57.989
You know, and that's what, and he's doing fantastic.

1460
01:11:59.110 --> 01:12:01.454
So that's the deal right there, Rod, don't you think?

1461
01:12:01.874 --> 01:12:02.475
Just proximity.

1462
01:12:02.495 --> 01:12:02.716
I do.

1463
01:12:02.796 --> 01:12:03.817
Just having a guy that.

1464
01:12:04.759 --> 01:12:05.420
Yeah, you have to.

1465
01:12:05.540 --> 01:12:06.882
Every so often, you gotta have that guy.

1466
01:12:07.202 --> 01:12:08.923
Yeah, and not that it has to be a next-door neighbor, right?

1467
01:12:08.943 --> 01:12:10.584
Like, I'd consider you a close friend.

1468
01:12:10.844 --> 01:12:13.205
And, I mean, it took me 30 minutes to get here.

1469
01:12:13.225 --> 01:12:14.065
Yeah.

1470
01:12:14.506 --> 01:12:15.206
But we find ways.

1471
01:12:15.226 --> 01:12:15.726
You're a slow driver.

1472
01:12:16.046 --> 01:12:17.387
Well, Dallas has traffic.

1473
01:12:17.407 --> 01:12:20.488
Hey, man, thanks for being on, Brave Man.

1474
01:12:20.508 --> 01:12:23.210
Wow, thanks for letting me come and hang out with you, man.

1475
01:12:23.250 --> 01:12:26.011
I love to see the world from your mountaintop view.

1476
01:12:26.071 --> 01:12:27.912
It's fantastic.

1477
01:12:28.212 --> 01:12:31.133
And thank you to everybody who's been listening or watching.

1478
01:12:31.313 --> 01:12:33.515
I love the whole new video format that we have, right?

1479
01:12:33.955 --> 01:12:34.255
Like it?

1480
01:12:34.295 --> 01:12:34.615
I don't know.

1481
01:12:34.635 --> 01:12:35.015
We'll see.

1482
01:12:35.175 --> 01:12:35.636
See how good I look.

1483
01:12:35.656 --> 01:12:36.356
You're dressed for it.

1484
01:12:37.620 --> 01:12:39.120
There's no coffee stains?

1485
01:12:39.200 --> 01:12:40.881
There's no coffee stains?

1486
01:12:41.321 --> 01:12:42.521
There's no like, you know.

1487
01:12:42.981 --> 01:12:44.201
Yeah, hey, no two fresh stains.

1488
01:12:44.241 --> 01:12:46.342
The hat's clean, doesn't have a sweatband around it.

1489
01:12:47.722 --> 01:12:48.022
Right?

1490
01:12:48.622 --> 01:12:50.782
So you just came, showed up for video.

1491
01:12:50.802 --> 01:12:51.382
Maybe not.

1492
01:12:51.662 --> 01:12:55.583
I don't know, I was gonna, we did turn the hat around because of the offensive front you had on it.

1493
01:12:55.743 --> 01:12:57.703
Well, you know, there is a ministry associated.

1494
01:12:57.723 --> 01:12:58.664
There's nothing on it.

1495
01:12:58.704 --> 01:13:00.964
But nothing, oh man, I got, I'm representing.

1496
01:13:01.304 --> 01:13:02.184
I'm representing.

1497
01:13:02.364 --> 01:13:05.385
You should have had it built front, and it's a flat bring.

1498
01:13:05.425 --> 01:13:06.665
I didn't know how much I was gonna have to pay.

1499
01:13:08.145 --> 01:13:31.075
for sponsorship yeah yeah like hey man we put replenish you know we put the hat on yeah and we calculated it's 42 minutes i was worried about my pen too i think i stole this from my bank so i'm having the logo yeah we want to show that so uh rod jones replenish ministries what's the website rpl nish.org rpl nish nish

1500
01:13:32.463 --> 01:13:33.203
Replenish.org.

1501
01:13:33.603 --> 01:13:34.483
Unbelievable ministry, man.

1502
01:13:34.503 --> 01:13:35.504
Thanks for being part of it.

1503
01:13:35.544 --> 01:13:36.484
It really is fantastic.

1504
01:13:37.064 --> 01:13:37.864
I love being a part of it.

1505
01:13:38.084 --> 01:13:39.244
I love being a champion for you.

1506
01:13:40.185 --> 01:13:40.425
All right.

1507
01:13:40.665 --> 01:13:40.985
Thanks, Rob.

1508
01:13:41.005 --> 01:13:41.365
Bless me.

1509
01:13:41.385 --> 01:13:41.885
Thanks for your time.

1510
01:13:41.905 --> 01:13:42.225
See you.

1511
01:13:45.426 --> 01:13:48.346
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1512
01:13:49.026 --> 01:13:51.447
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1513
01:13:52.347 --> 01:13:56.828
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