BraveMen S3E89: Robert Barriger - The Revelation of Jesus Christ

the last book in the Bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ and it is one of the most remarkable books and for most of us it's one of those ones we kind of set aside because it's got all these different things in it, the beast and you know Jesus coming back on a white horse and what does that mean and what does this mean and what are the cups being poured out mean and all these people come up with all these different things about what it means and too often it is so negative we're like yeah forget that. Robert Barriger our great friend is one of the great experts really one of the leading experts in the world theologically on the book of the revelation of Jesus Christ and so I did an interview with him just a few days ago so Robert explain this to me and and help me see why it's so positive for me living today what does it mean today not just somewhere down the road or some apocalyptic thing what does it mean today and so this conversation with Robert Barriger is absolutely remarkable and as is Robert Barriger I mean this guy you know when I met him a number of years ago he became one of my heroes he is one of my closest friends but at the same time he's also one of my heroes he's 1983 he and his wife Karen and her two little kids took off and went to Lima Peru I mean they moved from California to Peru and not only that they went into the Amazon they arrived in Peru at the zenith probably the height of the shining path terrorist stuff that happened down there was pretty bad I remember the first time I went down something got blown up in one of the cities I was in they said I don't worry about it's a little ways away it's a well yeah but it could come this way the power would go on and off they were in the Amazon for five almost six years and then in Lima they started having all these young people get saved by the hundreds punk rockers body old kids uptown youth in the margins and they saw the need to start a church and they did a number of years ago 30 years ago they started comming to Davida which is now one of the most significant what would it be leading edge churches in all of Latin America they helped disciple really pastor thousands of pastors across Latin America helping build a relevant church it's one of the books he's written they have a La Cruz worship album that came out they have all these different albums that have come out at comming to Davida their music is remarkable led by Karen and their daughter Jenna and then Robert and his son Taylor and their spouses helping the ministry and are just amazing people I cannot wait for you to hear this conversation I have with Robert Berger today on brave men remember everything you need for discipling men can be found at cmn.men Christian men's network dot men and that's the ministry we have in over a hundred nations that helps churches disciple men Robert Berger and Lima Peru is one of our outposts it's one of the central points in all of Latin America he's taken these materials of maximize manhood on burial maximum and other tools from a red day on braces which what it's called in Latin America with the Christian men's network he's taken it to over I think right now it's about 12,000 churches across Latin America that have been impacted by this ministry so cmn.men in English and then we've got tools in 34 different languages you can find them there find all the events that are happening now that we're doing events but I'm excited today to have you meet my dear friend Robert Berger on brave men it's brave men with Paul Lewis Cole wisdom and courage for the journey with pastor Robert Berger who's the pastor of community divita in Lima Peru and dear dear friend and we're going to we're going to talk about the revelation of Jesus Christ right there's a book called that yeah it's the last book of the Bible yeah we usually call it the revelations I think when I took like biblical survey in Bible college not that I remember much of it but it seems to me what they did is they they covered the whole Bible and then said oh and then could revelate this part revelations as we called it it's it's over here that's a separate class and we often think of it I mean really we read our Bibles we go through stuff we get to the revelation of Jesus Christ and and we're like yeah okay I'll come back to that and let's want to read something Brian Simmons said Brian Simmons is he translated the passion translation and he said this this is not a drama of Satan's worst because it's kind of how a lot of us think about it's like the pouring out of the cup wrath or the the beast or the horror of Babylon I mean that was a good one I remember in the 60s that came up a lot yeah and this is not a drama of Satan's worst but a supernatural drama of God's best pouring through his beautiful son Jesus Christ and so Robert Berger Lima Peru commuter divina you are considered basically an expert specialist whatever you want to call it on the book of the revelation of Jesus Christ tell me where'd that come from and and do you agree with Brian or is it because you know a red one person a very well-known person who said this is the picture of how God's going to basically nail you if you're not a good person yeah absolutely I agree with that statement it's interesting I got into the book of Revelation probably 45 years ago or longer I went through Bible College in San Diego and our pastor began to teach or his passion was in times book of Revelation and he taught the revelation class in the Bible College and his take on it was different from what we'd heard in those days you know back in the 70s it was the late great planet earth deep in the night a lot of these things and he had a different take so his take was at first confusing to me but when I graduated Bible College I began to teach in the Bible College and he gave me the book of Revelation to teach so I figured this is 45 48 years ago I figured I better really get my own conviction on this yeah and from there it began just developing it's right now it's my favorite book in the Bible wow and it's interesting because how you said that and I'll give you a few reasons why real quick yeah but when you said the revelations if anybody was in my class I've taught this in Bible school literally physical classes for over 30 years and if anybody said revelations they immediately flunked the class it's not revelations it is one revelation wow and it's not a revelation of the end times it's a revelation of Jesus it includes the end times so I say it this way there's 66 books in the Bible 65 of these books are written from earth looking to heaven where God mysteriously moves there's only one book written from heaven looking to earth where we see the church literally as Jesus sees it wow and in this book it's the book where we see that we really are more than conquers in Christ Jesus when you understand the purpose of the book so revelation and you know we just passed the holiday Easter the great resurrection celebration yeah we're in the Easter season which is why we're spending a lot of time talking about Jesus between Easter and and Pentecost Sunday here with Christmas network and that's the emphasis here is the Easter season isn't just you know like we did a day yeah it's every day in this Easter season there's a highlight basically of the church exactly and everything about the book of revelation is Easter hmm wow we're seeing Jesus not as he was but as he is hmm so everything about this book if we go to the very the very first chapter verse in chapter one explains it yeah where it says the revelation of Jesus Christ the revelation of Jesus Christ it's not a revelation of the end times it includes the end times okay and then he is the word revelation which comes from two Greek words apple which means take away or removal and liptico which means veil it's the word we get apocalyptic it's interesting how we get the word apocalyptic today and we turn it into some end time is beast and you know the apocalypse and then you know our friend Tim Lehey right you know the left behind series yeah it's with Terry Jensen and and you know that thing and I remember growing up back in 67 is the chick tracks you know where you're you're done man and 666 and it's going to be stamped on your forehead and basically now what's funny about some of that stuff is it you know you know in one sense maybe it was good because it scared the hell out of us right yeah but but man it was like so a lot of those prophecies were like by the year 1999 or by the year 2001 here we are 2021 and um and we're living in some of these things go ahead so the apocalypse I mean for a lot of us it that word is like man that's scary that yeah yeah it's it's interesting how it's taken on that connotation of the beast of yeah that great end war yeah at the end of the age but the word apocalyptic's the literal translation is the unveiling wow so when you think of what it starts out with one one it's the unveiling of Jesus Christ wow it's not um the unveiling of n times or the unveiling of the beast or the unveiling of the last seven years of church history uh at the end of the age it's the unveiling of Jesus well that's what Brian Simmons says who translated a passion uh he said his opening line and that's why this is a great so thank you for helping me because it says this is the unveiling of Jesus Christ is how he did it in the passion yeah exactly now the NIV says a revelation from Jesus Christ which God gave him to show his servants which must soon take place well in a sense that could be true one of the other things I would say is who is the author of the book of revelation wow it's not John no right Jesus yeah because John said and this is to me this is the credit to the credit of the apostle John who they couldn't kill and historically we're told that he was put in a vat of oil oil in oil and it came out with baby skin they couldn't kill him so they stuck him on an island right um off the coast patmos under Roman guard and said well good go rid of him because all the other disciples were dead and they put him on an island and they go good and we'll never hear from him again and then the beauty of the first chapter for me in a human sense with John as it says on the Lord's day was I was worshiping and here's a guy under great duress stress Roman guards in probably not in a good situation in terms of his living conditions his room all his friends are dead and what did he do he kept showing up on the Lord's day yeah John just kept and to me it's such a picture of who we need to be no matter what we just keep showing up and then the Lord showed up right and then it says he said write this down and for me it was kind of like this for John his story wasn't over until God wrote it and so God always writes the last chapter yeah well if you remember when Peter and John were fishing in Galilee after the crucifixion and Jesus showed up cooking them breakfast on the beach yeah yeah and when Peter you know dove in the water swam to Jesus and was forgiven with you love me you know I love you feed my sheep well when God gave Peter that prophecy that said when you were young you went where you wished but when you're old you will be taken and it said this Jesus spoke of the death Peter would suffer well Peter's immediate reaction was what about him looking at John yeah I'm going to die for you what about him and Jesus said what is it to you if he remains till I come wow so he when he was boiled in oil there was one more book that needed to be written wow so what is it to you that he remains till I come he couldn't die because there was more purpose in his life he had to write this revelation come on man and it's the revelation come on like I said of Jesus yeah and just let's take a step back from you know being in the Lord's day and hearing that voice behind him most people when they think of Jesus and I tell this to the class a lot of people if you close your eyes and think of Jesus what do you see and most people see Jesus as a 30 year old man 33 year old man at the Sea of Galilee with children with a lamb or at the cross that is how he was see the book of Revelation says that he was the lamb Jesus is no longer the lamb today he's the lion of the tribe of Judah wow so it's the lamb that today is the king he he came as a servant now he's king of kings and Lord of lords so we think of him as he was and that was John the last time John sought Jesus physically right was at the mount of all of us when he was taken up uh and then a cloud hid him is it where that was the last time John saw him uh that was it until Revelation 1 1 where uh the Bible says in the Lord's day on Sunday he was in the spirit he was in a place of worship probably in a cave he's a very old man uh you know in his 90s probably and all of a sudden he hears a voice behind him and I love this because the Bible says he turned to see the voice that spoke with him that sounded like a trumpet with many of many waters and when he turned to see the first thing he saw was the golden candlestick and then he said in between the branches of the candlestick one as the son of man now one Revelation 1 20 says the candlestick are the seven churches wow and the image that that gives is we have the church which is a candlestick a candlestick is the light of the world the churches the light of the world uh where we shine through you know the church um the next two chapters two and three shows some churches shine brighter than other some the light is you know some a couple the light went out uh but in that letting the light shine Jesus was walking in the midst of the church wow so when he sees Jesus he didn't see the Jesus he remembered brown hair 30 to 33 he saw his eyes were like fire hair white as wool literally he was rest I'm thinking in Spanish but uh there was a light that came out from him um his feet were you know bronzed as though they'd been in a furnace so what he saw and this is where it gets kind of fun uh to dig a deeper into this he saw the resurrected Christ as he is versus who what he was he came as a servant today he's the king of kings a lion now let me hit something just a little sidebar in here and we're on uh Facebook live with Dr. Robert Berger and many of you will be listening to this on a podcast seeing it on uh achieved lab which is part of the christian mens network cmn.men a website and a collection of over 400 videos of some of the key teachers in the entire world like dr. Berger and others but uh this this a little background for for some of our friends who may not know your background you're out of California uh Santa Monica old Santa Monica surfer right mm-hmm civic ocean park and uh go radically saved as a as a teen surfer were you late teens at that time right yes and uh and then went to a you and then you asked somebody what's the next thing you do I think you go to bible college so you went to bible college saying yeah yeah okay what do you do first why you go to church then you go to bible college what do you do next you're going to do something difficult so uh you move you and your wife were both children born when you moved yeah kids uh channel my daughter was a year old Taylor was two and a half years old okay and uh you and your wife Karen and two little children moved to Peru uh to the amazon basically you went I mean move to Lima and then you went into the amazon now a little the other little sidebar sidebar to the sidebar is that you did know that they had waves in Peru actually I found that out when I came here it's because you got you have up north you have the longest left in the world don't you the longest right about wave in the world yeah yeah yeah crazy you gotta have people pick you up and drive you back to the start or take 45 minutes to walk back up the beach or walk back or like me it'd be about a two minute walk after I got wiped out so uh so you move there you go to the amazon you're in the amazon for about a half dozen years or so you're helping people through some dramatic experiences which we've written in some books you've talked about um you end up starting a church with a bunch of young people the church has grown and today it's a commuter divita one of the most significant churches in all of Latin America and uh and you are also now Peruvian you and your wife right and we are what we eat then we are but we're still American citizens yeah you're in a religious visa religious visa okay that's it and so but the thing is is that uh you know this is an amazing deal and here you guys you've been locked down for how long Robert this is uh right now 13 months 13 months in at 13 months in in this nation of Peru uh where a lot of people are at the poverty level and wherever uh your church has done amazing outreach is because I watch it on uh Facebook and and so forth you've done servolution all over the nation help people that we're hurting and and uh and had to go online with church for now 13 months and in amidst all that you've had people accepting Christ on a weekly basis yeah we um one of the stories that I love to hear is we have had people now that have given their life to Christ online they went through our new believers class online wow and now they went to uh one of small groups online and now they lead small groups online in fact their virtual natives they've never stepped foot in the church wow but they're a bit as much of an active member of our church through the online so oh they've been discipled online in small that are leading small groups and your small groups have actually uh increased yeah we've more than doubled the small groups um now when we talk that you know that's you know you had four groups and went to seven or eight that'd be amazing but you had hundreds of small groups and they've gone into over a thousand almost two thousand now yeah we had right around 750 small groups and now we're you know 1500 plus small groups um it's just keeping people connected and we love the you know the church is flourished like you said um Peru is one of the hardest hit nations with COVID we're as we're doing this podcast where still we just came out of our like third lockdown um we're probably the last month and a half have had the hardest month and a half our churches had we've had three or four members of our church that have died every week oh Jesus members of our church um so it's not been an easy time um during this this time of this pandemic for us and because of the poverty in this nation we began to figure out well how can we help people so we started figuring out ways to get food to people that needed food and in the year 2020 from March 16th to the end of the year we served over 230,000 people goodness um and this was just one church and this year already uh in the first three months of this year we've served like 55,000 people it's the need is there we find an itch and scratch it so well I thank God for you in commuter divita and people that are watching you can give to this go to is it commuter divita dot com in english life missions dot com life missions dot com and we can give there you can give financially there and help uh feed the nation you've got some other great churches in the city i've met a number of the pastors who are friends of years you you men all and ladies men and women you all work together and it's an amazing thing to see because you arrived at a nation that was in the middle of um it it was full of terrorism almost a civil war sort of setting and now uh things are all moving you know even with a pandemic people are being saved things being changed lives being changed it's remarkable hmm yeah it really is so and now let's get so i just wanted to give everybody a little background on that and uh so in that sense we see where this is coming from so when we talk about let's go back into talking about the revelation of Jesus Christ it is about Jesus and sometimes we think so i mean this maybe it maybe it's an american thing you know it's kind of like we feel like Jesus showed up on christmas yeah you know i need like like he like he like he wasn't there somehow in the first covenant like he was there somewhere but what you find in the revelation is an explanation that he was there for everything wasn't he yeah um the word revelation is the key the revelation of Jesus Christ it revelation is a revealing not a hiding yeah so this doesn't hide until the end of the age the symbolism it reveals verse three of chapter one says blessed is he reads the word to this book that doesn't mean only in the last seven years of church history or just before the great tribulation that means anybody from John the polycarp is disciple to all the great and the leaders in church history the bible says blessed are they that read wow and the reason you're blessed if you read this is once again it shows us not as we see us but as Christ sees us it's the view from heaven looking down to the church and it shows us where are more than conquerors and it shows Jesus yeah not as he was but as he is so when you see him as he is and just back up and get into theology for a minute bear with me for a minute on this oh love it when when Jesus came and became a man the bible literally says Philippians Philippians is something in Spanish again Philippians chapter two it says he unclothed himself of divinity and clothed himself in the flesh of a man so Jesus never did any miracles as the second person of the Trinity all of the miracles Jesus did because he submitted himself to a man every miracle he did he did through the third person of the Trinity the Holy Spirit or Christ now Christ is not a last name it wasn't Mary Christ and Joseph Christ with their son Jesus Christ Christ means the Messiah or the anointed one so everything Jesus did he did through the power of the third person of the Trinity why because he later said to us the works that I do you shall do also and great work because I go to the father and he says I will send him to you the Holy Spirit it's where Paul said don't you know that you are temples of the Holy Spirit so bear with me for a minute on this it says and this is just I love this going through the exegesis of this or going through the scripture interpreting scripture because who John saw on that day when he turned to see the voice and his hair white as well in the book of Daniel it has the same description and he's called the ancient of days I love the term for Jesus the ancient of days wow because the word literally translates and it's found in Daniel chapter 7 verse 9 I think but it says when he's the ancient of days it's he who is older than days in other words it's John 1 1 again in the beginning was the word the word was whenever the beginning was was before it so the reason I want to say that is he's the ancient of days it says and listen to this John chapter 1 we're going to do a little bit of exegesis for a minute John chapter 1 verse 18 says no man has seen the father at any time John chapter 5 verse 37 says no man has even heard his voice so if no man has seen the father or no man has ever heard his voice who did Moses talk to in the burning bush Jesus yeah who was the angel that Jacob fought with and called the face of God yeah who was the fourth man and the furnace yeah the ancient of days the ancient of days wow when no man has seen the father but it says the son in verse John 118 he has revealed to them if we go back into exegesis again it says John 424 the God is spirit okay God is spirit when Thomas Jesus rose and he said unless I touch the wounds in his hand or the wounds in his side I won't believe in Jesus said touch and then Jesus made a statement and it's found in Luke 2439 but Jesus said touch my flesh because Jesus said spirit doesn't have flesh and bones so if spirit doesn't have flesh and bones no man has ever seen the father because the father is spirit then in the Old Testament when we see the second person the Trinity which was always God as man as man that was Jesus yeah he undressed himself of that became a man and when he ascended back to heaven in the revel in the resurrection he revested a redressed in that divinity to what he was before and that's why everything about the book of Revelation is the resurrection we're seeing Jesus as the resurrected Christ the king of kings the Lord of lords the lion of the tribe of Judah and we see him active in the church that was Paul's entire message he probably possible when he preached and we read his epistles he never recounts a lot of Jesus's parables he doesn't go back through a lot of the teachings he he talks about he was he was died defeated death and resurrected that resurrection life was the hope that the early church preached that was in some ways that was our whole message because even the stuff we read today was still being written yeah it was this he's alive he is alive and he is hope that was that was it that was the message here's hope so yeah as I said if there wasn't the resurrection then our faith is in vain wow not only it's he was the first fruit and because he rose then we know that we shall rise as well see so now now I've got my faith is in the eternal one my hope in Jesus is not you know it's not like there's a ranking right you know father son and then oh yeah the Holy Spirit it's it's a they're all in one and so now okay so now here's the revelation of Jesus Christ but there's also like six six six right I guess am I gonna you know am I gonna have to get that if I want some bread yeah if you understand where it says it the revelation of Jesus Christ who he manifests to the church the word manifesting Greek literally means through symbols okay okay in other words the book of Revelation is a book of symbols and if you understand the symbols each symbol has it's you find that symbol someplace else in the Bible I've actually heard it taught at times where there's 66 books in the Bible 65 you interpret this way but the 66 book the book of Revelation has its own mystical interpretation and people get into the mystics of it but it's really all this symbols in Revelation are found somewhere else in the Bible they all come back it because there was one author yeah exactly so it's all that's fascinating when you go into this for example uh you mentioned the mark of the beast yeah the book of Revelation has five enemies that the church has or it defines five enemies okay the dragon right the beast of the earth the beast of the sea those that have the mark of the beast and babble on the harland there are five enemies that you find in the book of Revelation each one attacks the church in a distinct way uh with the exception of the dragon and the dragon is unique in uh he attacks you know directly uh that is Satan himself the the church in the bride so when you talk about the beast there's two beasts in the book of Revelation there's a beast of the earth the beast of the sea the sea is the sea of humanity which talks uh what comes about a humanity governments uh and sometimes in certain places of the world governments are what attack church going to neuro and Rome going to different places in history where governments rose up against the church what's happening in China right now China and other countries yeah the beast of the earth talks about uh we are made of earth and the false prophet goes behind him it's and there we see false religions so you've got false religions that attack the church you've got governments that attract the church but the mark of the beast is anybody who follows those beasts so it says and it's interesting you know it's on the mark is on their forehead and on their forehand on a hand um and we've heard for years that you know there's going to be a chip that's going to be put on your hand or a tattoo or something on your forehead but go back to the symbolism of it as a man thinks so easy and the actions a man does with his hand so in the book in chapter seven it says the 144,000 which is another symbol have been sealed on their foreheads we don't have seven seven seven on our forehead okay in other words through the blood of Christ through our salvation we think different than the world thinks yeah i don't know how many times i sit back and i think i don't know why how could i have thought what i used to think my mind has been renewed yeah in my actions as a Christian have changed i don't do what i used to do the mark that is on your forehead or on your hand is your actions and your thoughts and remember this is a book written from heaven so what you what the what a little translation is there are those who follow the beast be it false religion or false government and there is a mark in their actions and their thoughts those who are following the beast yeah they're marked they're marked there's also a mark on us edit yeah it's our actions and our thoughts are different than those in actions and thoughts of the world yeah should be should be yeah come on but but the fact is our thoughts are different our thoughts are different and our actions yeah should be different because our mind the minute we become a follower of Christ a minute that amazing incarnation of Christ is in us heard was watching a video of Jack Frost the author who passed by him over years ago but that's all video of his and he said who wants to get closer to God he's teaching some people and and everybody yeah he goes well you can't get in closer because he's already been he's already incarnated in your life as a follower of Christ yeah yeah so now what the revelation is is to help us actually the unveiling if you will of our thinking right to be in the think like Jesus what was it as you studied this because I mean obviously you've you've taught entire semesters but you started in this 45 46 years ago and over the years you've had different things that came up and went wow I didn't see that before I didn't see that you know it's John who who said you know at the end of his epistle when he said hey to write everything down would take all the ink in the world in other words God is an ever revealing self revealing God and it's like however big we think his grace is it's bigger however big we think his love is it's bigger but what was it that that really hit you at some point about Jesus studying this reading this and one day you just go wow just it just really impacted you about Jesus Christ yeah it it's kind of folding like you said um you know I've studied this book for 45 48 years and I'm still marveled at it still when I dig into it like whoa I didn't really realize that that that's pretty cool um little details little nuggets bigger nuggets at times but it's that revelation remember revelation doesn't hide most people think revelation is a hidden secret and where John said blessed as you read this that's anybody because when you do see it and you understand who this Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father we are more than conquers in Christ Jesus uh we do get the victory like people talk about the beast again but it says that there are those who got the victory over the beast I'd rather concentrate on that yeah you know we have a tendency to to if you will go to the the exceptional uh the the wildness of manners is beast and then there's this thing there's this dragon and and uh really what it is it's it's the the ancient of days on the white horse man that's what the picture is right because the because really it's a book of hope it's a book of victory you know yeah we're so drawn to the mystical that a lot of people look at the symbols and they turn to the mystical side of that um and there I we've heard it this way that so many people translate the book of revelation they translate it I want to say mystical but we can call it symbolic so they translate it symbolic until they're forced to translate it literal okay and I would rather translate it literal until I'm forced to translate it symbolic okay yeah okay um there's so much of this that it deals with in symbols why symbols symbols are universal in application in other words if they apply to somebody in John's day they apply to somebody in my day it's universal in application it applies to any culture you can have the African culture the European culture the Latin culture but the symbols are universal in application so it applies to the whole world and it says you know these are things she symbolized to us yeah you know uh anybody who's overshot purchase something at ikea knows that symbols work cross culturally i have one who never stepped foot in that store by the way yeah but you put some of the stuff together because your wife is up foot in there yeah yeah yeah there you go so the thing is is all the directions are in symbols and so now you know I get that um you know as we sort of wrap this up well how would you cement this in a practical application to me you know uh like my friend Bob and he's he's listening to this driving to work and flagstaff and running his business how does this how do I make this an application in my life I look at it this way um it's a behind the scenes look at what God is doing um so you as a tv producer and you've seen this many times um I remember as a child I got to visit I grew up in Los Angeles and a friend of mine's dad worked at 20th century Fox studios and for I think it was probably his seventh birthday he got to take a few of his friends and I was one of them to go see the studios and I walked into the studios and I just wanted to see lost in space you know that original series I wanted to see this space ship and I wanted to see the robot and yeah um I remember walking on the set when they were filming it and all of a sudden I realized what I saw on TV there was so much more behind the scenes wow so much more going on there was people everywhere not just the three that were on the screen and and you know there was what you saw wasn't real so what the book of Revelation does to us is sometimes what we see it shows us behind the scenes that there are spiritual forces demons there are angels and it's God taking the veil away saying this is what I am doing uh you know it's not the beast it's those who get the victory over the beast it's not uh the dragon it's he was cast out of heaven and there was found no more place for him in Revelation 12 in heaven because he was the accused of the brother but now the blood of Christ covers us so when we take the veil away and we see all that's really happening with the the spiritual forces behind the scenes then it's like oh okay we are more than conquerors I can get the victory and my prayers are really being answered one of my favorite parts of the book of Revelation is chapter eight where it takes us through the Old Testament priestly sacrifice where he would take the animal sacrifice him and then take the coal and the blood and bring it into the holy place mix the coal with incense and it would go before the holy place and mix it with blood well in Revelation 8 you got that whole picture happening with our prayers wow so where do our prayers go an angel takes him in a veil with the incense that's the prayers of the saints he mixes it with the coal of the altar in chapter five Jesus was crucified on that altar his blood was sprinkled in heaven on that altar so we see the blood of Jesus mixed with our prayers going before God and then the book of Revelation shows two cups it's the cup of wrath and the cup of blessing so as the world fills up the cup of wrath we fill up the cup of blessing and there comes a point where God just goes like this and pours blessing over the church revival and judges those who have opposed the church so our greatest gift we have is prayer wow if we only knew what happened when we prayed we pray more wow and this is what we see it's behind the scenes what sometimes we pray and we wonder what where did my prayer go I just hit a brass you know ceiling yeah doesn't feel it no you just keep praying you're filling your cup wow that's incredible Robert have been talking with Robert Bariger so Dr. Robert Bariger is the pastor of a commuter divita in Lima Peru and actually talking to you live from Lima Peru and here and myself here and for worth and and we pray for you guys you and Karen and your children Taylor and Jenna and their wife and husband's Pedro and Shana their children you guys have faced a tough time and you're facing it as champions and we just want to commend you for that Robert and Karen and just tell you how much we love you and for the christianman's network we thank you for being on the board of the christianman's network you've been a guiding force within what we're doing all over the world and really pray that over the next few months I continued increase in the church growth and that God keeps you deep within the grip of his favor and grace so Robert Bariger thanks for being on brave men today which is the podcast and thanks for being on facebook live with us and is there is there do you do you have an online thing can we go look at something on this is you speak Spanish if you speak Spanish we're actually doing an online podcast through the book of Revelation now but it's all in Spanish I see in the glacier punto con for anybody that understood that but yeah just wanted to say Paul your father was my spiritual father your dad Ed when Luis Cole he was dear to us helped us increase our world and you and Judy are dear friends we're honored to be on the board but it didn't matter if we were on a board we just love you guys love your friendship and love we love getting to do what we get to do yeah which is making a difference in Peru yeah and you are all right I'm gonna say goodbye to all my facebook friends and somehow I'm not sure oh here it is I found a button so I love you guys God bless well that was just crazy my wife Judy and I have taken some of the things that Robert taught in this last conversation and we've actually made it a part of our everyday prayer when we do communion together when we pray together for Judy and I that whole little piece about how every single prayer is taken up to the father that thing man you need to go back and listen maybe to this whole podcast again because it's it's just packed with things and what it what it did for me is it caused me to want to go look at other stuff that's why I said dude you need to write a book he goes I got one it's in Spanish thanks so I guess you know they always say when you're in Latin America they always say you know you're gonna have to learn Spanish because that's what they speak in heaven there they might be right who knows and but wasn't that great with Robert what a what an incredible man and humble giant now we really the things have done are he and his wife Karen and Taylor and his wife Shana and then Jenna their daughter and her husband Pedro who's one of the he's executive pastor there a commuter divita a remarkable family amazing amazing outreach and those are the kind of friends I like to hang out with right they always lift you up cmn.men is our website christian men's network cmn.men and that's where you'll find tools those disciples men in over 30 languages and we're increasing we just got the farce he'd done it's that's fantastic I'm excited about that that's he run in a whole bunch of there's a couple stands and then part of northern afghanistan this speak farcey and then you know probably when you talk about Persian influence around the world there's there's tens of thousands millions of Persian people that are all over the world basically a diaspora that came to the u.s. back in well it was back when when you run with all the big changes in the shawl left and all that sort of thing but fantastic to get that done and now the tie languages coming on board and maximize bandhood excited about what's happening cmn.men you can find all the news and information right there and then Monday night men click on that on the little bar there we started a new series on just a bartender which is on identity purpose and brotherhood starts made the 10th if you're listening to this in 2021 starts made the 10th and actually you can go on youtube a month and click just right in Monday night man in your search bar Monday night men three words and help will come three different books will have already done power potential courage and strong men and tough 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