BraveMen S4E158: Vietnam

It's Brave Men with Paul Lewis Cole, wisdom and courage for the journey. You know, one of the things I was talking about with Robert Kalachin on this trip to Vietnam was the time you, he came to our church and he had this photos of kids who had feet to need it operations and I remember, I'll never forget this, I remember you left. I'm like, word, Bryce go and you came back about, I don't know, 20 minutes later and you would, you had gone home, got all your tip money from your work. Yeah. How much? And I wasn't a very good waiter. So my tip money. You didn't have a lot of tip money. I like tip money. It was bad. So $200 is like two months of tip money or so. Less than what most waiters were getting. I'll tell you that. So it was a pretty big sacrifice. So you, but you showed up because Robert had said $200 will buy an operation. Well, it's $250. $250. An operation. Make sure I get proper. Change a child. Yeah, proper. But it would change a child's life because it would get an operation and rather than never go to school, they would be able to get this operation and be able to go to school because if they didn't go to school, they'd end up being like beggars or prostitutes, terrible stuff. Well, they had because of the, because of the leftover nuclear, well, the stuff from the Vietnam War. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah. And the, their legs were, yeah, formed so they couldn't go to school and all that. So he was just sharing about that and this was at the start of his ministry 20 years ago. This was, I was probably 19, right there when he was starting something like that. Yeah, I was young and yeah, I don't know. I just felt the, this conviction that just like to just, yeah, it's always going to cost $250 and I, you know, obviously had some cash at home from waiting tables and I just decided, yeah, it just felt like it just felt like the right thing to do. So I just drove home because we were, you know, at that time, the five minutes away from the church was my house. Right. So drove over there, got the cash and came back and it took him and I don't ever forget it. So we were talking. Yeah. It was amazing. And we were talking about that last week while we were in Vietnam. I'm talking with my son Bryce and we're talking about the trip that I just got back from in Vietnam. I wanted to give everybody an update on it. And so we're going to have a conversation about it and talk about this, but it was an amazing time. And I think the thing that Robert Collatchin did so well is he cast a vision for how you could actually touch a person's life and help change a nation. And that's what we've seen now in Vietnam, particularly with Christian men's and network over the last decade. We've seen how men's lives have been changed. And today, this is brave men. My name is Paul Lewis Cole. My son Bryce Cole. We're here today. It's good to have you with us. Yeah. I'm glad to be here. So no, that was the lead to the thing where the music plays. Oh, okay. All right. So I just sit here silent and let the music play. Okay. David hit the music. Yeah. If you're in your car and you have an iPod and you just want to start playing music over this part. And now you're fully welcome to do that. So yeah. Well, real quick on the Robert Collatchin thing. I just thought, yeah, it was such a visceral and immediate way to impact somebody's life forever. Yeah. Forever. And so like that's what you guys are doing. And like, so tell me about, so you were in Vietnam for a couple of weeks. Yeah. A couple of weeks. And then I brought back two things for the grandkids, which were snacks that were in the 7-Eleven. Is that where you got the? Yes. Okay. Like there's, there's, I don't know, let's just say there's whatever other snacks would be there, right? Chocolate bars. Yeah. Yeah. You know, whatever stuff. And then, and then there's these two things in their chicken legs. Chicken feet. Yeah. Chicken feet. Yep. That chicken legs. I'd be okay. Chicken feet. It's like, and you got a variety. There's like two different kinds. So I brought those back for the grandkids. Yeah. That was cool. Okay. I didn't know that was from Vietnam. I thought you were just went down the street and picked it up. No. I was very confused about where we were getting chicken feet around here. Chicken feet. I didn't realize that was part of the local cuisine. But Robert Kalachan, you know, talking about him and what he's done over the last 20 years, given away over 180,000 wheelchairs through the free wheelchair mission, our, our friends, Don Shorendorfer and those guys in Huntington Beach and Jim Franklin, everybody had been involved with that for years. And then heart operations and everything. But it started with he adopted Christina there, his daughter in Vietnam. And then he saw these kids that had feet that were backwards and stuff that basically came out of the whole agent orange there, you know, years ago during the Vietnam war and there were all these birth defects. And so that's what happened. So now we started taking maximized manhood, which had been such an impact in the Robert's life. You know, and it had so radically changed his life. He said, man, we now that we've done started this NGO here in Vietnam, let's bring that here. So about a decade ago, kind of sort of just right after we relaunched, you know, Christian men's network in January 2008, you know, we went over there and got the first books of maximized manhood. Now we've got something, I think we have six books in Vietnamese over a thousand churches now using the Christmas network curriculum to disciple men. And so part of what we saw this last trip was where the results of that, yeah, years, years of the seeds being sown and yeah, yeah, the soil been working. Yeah. You know, guys doing the stuff, you know, you find these people who were the champions. And I think the one that really stood out to me the most was, you know, a couple years ago, we had the COVID thing happen, right? The whole lockdown deal remind me, how did that go of that? I'm foggy on the details. Well, that's the problem. It's probably COVID fog. Yeah. I did get it. I did get it. So yeah, I've got the long, I've got the long COVID. So well, we got the long PTSD. That's for sure. Yeah. So, so what happened was we couldn't get back. So we were there in February, Joe on a side hour there in February of 2020, which is why taking Joe with me back on this trip last week and the week before Joe on a side of pastors is Samoan chief who pastors in, you know, our great friend. His story. His story is pretty cool too. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And so he goes. He goes back. He's come back. But in September of 2020, we couldn't get there. So we thought, well, we built, we had this studio space. We started building. I mean, you know, my brother-in-law, you know, Mark Grace, he comes in and he builds up a backdrop. And mom and I start just building this set, mom's painting like crazy, right? Just worked, worked extremely hard to make it happen. And then Tom Lane, Rob Carman, Vince Schard Dobbins, a whole bunch of guys, we all came in and did a three day. You know, I think Doug Stringer came up a couple of, I mean, Tim Heard may have been here from ARC and then we all came in and we did this three days of two hours a day training pastors to disciple men in Vietnam. And you know, you just put the seat out there. You don't know. And then we found out there were over 2000 pastors and leaders who would actually watch the thing. Yeah. Then we found out, and I'm just finding some of this stuff out, the guys actually rebroadcast it. Yeah. Like they pulled it down and there's, there's some like a WhatsApp, you know, we use WhatsApp. Well, they have other like a Vietnamese WhatsApp. Yeah. And so one of the guys put on a, you know, an Ed Cole video recently and had 10,000 views. Yeah. Well, we didn't know that. Yeah. We don't know this is happening. So there's a young man in the name of his name is Fung Le. And Fung is watching this thing. He's gone through rehab in Hanoi. He's had his life radically changed by Christ. Christ is a drug dealer, drug user, all this stuff. So he's now just still in his early 30s. And he watches this. Okay. Now we don't know this till just the trip I was just on. Okay. And we're going to try to bring him to the U.S. do some stories and all that. And he, he comes in and he watches this thing. He's got some guys here and they watch this thing. He sees it. He goes, man, you know, I need to do this and he finds out there's books. He calls, they're giving it back to kids office, which is Robert Kalachin in his NGO, which is an amazing outreach and they, he calls, gets a hold of books. He takes a group of young men and denang through the materials. It starts radicalizing their lives. So now here we are what three years later and the first time we're back in, the first group of men being commissioned in the history of Vietnam. Our Fung Le is group that launched with the, with that whole thing that all of us, I mean, basically a whole bunch of our partners and friends who are listening right now, pooled our resources, got some cameras, got the materials, got the stuff, built a set, built the studio. We did it all in a few months and went on live not knowing what would happen. And the first group that we commissioned, the 17 men, came out of that broadcast. And there's a story there too, right? There's a lesson there, which is that you do, you do the work, right? When you know, keep doing it. When you know the conviction is there, when you, you, you, you do the work and then you, you start to, after time, you know, time over, yeah, you know, the, the latent, product of that is, is, is what happened in those three days, but you did the work because you just knew you needed to, right? Yeah. He just did it. And the God adds the increase and you trust the Holy Spirit. So right, because that's his job, right? He said he would build a church. Exactly. So you, you do, what you know you're supposed to do, and then God brings the increase. I love, I love the line, my, my pastor Phil Pringle said years ago, somebody was looking at their, at Oxford Falls, you know, where you've been administered. And by the way, background on this, Bryce, my youngest son, is a musician, an author, great basketball coach, by the way, retired, retired, had, had some success, a couple of state championships. And then now a musician doing extremely well and doing some cool stuff. And what is it, is it bricers.com? Yeah. Well, where do you find your music, Bryce Cole, Bryce Cole music, Bryce Cole music, where you can find, where you can find my current music, BRYCE, yeah, BRYCE, yeah, Bryce Cole. Yeah. The correct, the correct spelling. Well, Bryce Pop. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's interesting now, because when I was growing up, I met one other Bryce, and not until I was 18 years old. Wow. And now it's in, there's a bunch of them. Yeah. There we go. You started. I don't feel as unique as I used to. Wow. There's that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pablo. That's right. Open wrap. Yeah. There's some comments. So, but anyway, that's it. So we're in discussion. This is, you're listening to Brave Men, the podcast that's sponsored by the Christianman's network, cmn.men. And follow me at Paul Lewis Cole, L-O-U-I-S, Paul Lewis Cole, and all the socials. And you can see a bunch of the photos from actually commissioning those guys in Denang. And you're right. I mean, if we really track it back, you go back to 34 years ago when Robert Kalachin walks into an Ed Cole event in Newport Beach, California, has his life radicalized. Well, here's what happens. He goes out after that the first break and to smoke some weed on the building. Nice. Well, it's made sense. California. No, it's from California. Sorry. Yeah. Made sense. It's funny. He had already become a follower of Christ and he was, he was, he was tithing on his drug money. Like he's making money that and tithing is incredible. Yeah. Yeah. So he's trying to do the right thing. Yeah. Yeah. So he goes out there and he walks back in from smoking some weed and he walks back in and my dad, Ed Cole, is talking about your grandfather. He's talking about being a real man and what that means is not being in compromise and all of a sudden he goes, huh, maybe smoking weed at the break was a compromise and I mean, he stopped right then. I think he's, I think he's at 35 years sober from drugs and alcohol. So it's an amazing story. And of course, then they adopted, he and his wife, Dorothea adopted Tommy, they're in Huntington Beach and then wanted a sister and the only place I could find a sister was there in Vietnam, which led him there, which then launched the ministry, Dorothea is going to be with the Lord. Yeah. It was, it was great to see her photos in some of the homes there in Vietnam. But you know, amazing now to see what happened in his life, 35 years ago. Now he, he looks out, I mean, he starts crying, man, he can't help it because he'll, he'll watch some of the responses. We did this one response time in Saigon and Joe on the side just felt like he just had this fire on him. It was like, man, there are some guys here right now whose fathers hurt them really bad. He said, I want to pray for you. And I mean, because he told his own story, which is amazing. And we'll have him on the podcast sometime. In fact, you should write that down, get Joe on the podcast. So done, yeah, done because because you're doing that, right? Mm hmm. Here's a pen. I'll try to help you out. So, so Joe shares his own story about his father and then says, man, I feel like there's some guys here who need that and man, he's been coming up and this is not Asian culture to actually be vulnerable like this and particularly about something as private as the pain that your dad inflicted on you or how much you, you know, regret or pain that you carry. And these guys coming up, and I remember one man, in fact, this was in, this may have been in up in Hanoi and it was an older man and I say older probably is early 60s and he's standing up front because this happened twice in our whole trip where Joe felt really strong about this and and this man is probably in his early 60s and he's crying like, like you don't show this in that culture. And he's just got tears coming down that and this is guy obviously at his age that went through the whole Vietnam conflict and war, you know, growing up his whole life went through whatever he went through in that period. And and yet was still dealing with a pain in his life that had never resolved and right at that point, Jesus was resolving that and Robert Kalachin standing in the back. He wasn't there for that one, but he was standing in the back of the other one. I remember looking up at him and he's just standing up there crying now because it's like this was what part of what he dreamed would happen, not only would he help children with giving it back to kids, but he would open doors like global leadership, someone or other things for us to go in there with Christian men's network and strong men and tough times and never quit and maximize manhood and courage and just a bartender and and be talking to them about what it is to be a real man. And so Fung Le, I mean their story after story after story then that we would run into where a man said, yeah, I actually had never dealt with what it is to be a real man until I started reading these materials. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and and then that becomes attractive to somebody else because the one thing I get all the time, in fact, your mother, my wife, was texting me yesterday about, hey, she needed a book for someone, recommend the book. And because it was for somebody's son-in-law who quote unquote doesn't read and I was like, yeah, they don't read, huh? Do they do text? Mm. Right. Yeah. That's the same as reading. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where is the cognitive dissonance happening? Right. It's like. It's, that's reading. Yeah. It's more than seven words at a time. I don't read. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the guy that always text you back one word. Yeah. Be sure. Yeah. Okay. Doesn't have time to do. Oh, yeah. That was a lot of work. Yeah. That's extra. Yeah. Yeah. So, so the recommendation reading, well, the thing is that when a man begins to have a life change and somebody else sees it like another dude goes and someone's going on with this guy. What is that? Right? Well, he begins to get in this group of men, you know, he begins to go to his church and this and this begin to happen, it begin to read materials. And then his buddy's like, dude, what is that? So I read this book. Yeah. Let me have it. You know, and so my point back to your mom to her friend for the son of law was, well, then just read a chapter a week, I mean, you know, was that two pages a day? I don't know. Was that a text a day or something? Right. I'm like, just read that. I mean, in fact, when we talk about that, it's kind of funny because we read, we'll read like, like right now, what's the hottest team in baseball at Lanna? Okay. And we'll read the whole line of what's going on there. Yeah. And then we'll read about Deon Prime and we'll read the whole story that Bill What's His face would write. Or one of those guys. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We'll read all that stuff and they go, yeah, but I don't read. Yeah. I read books. I just read the things that interest me and I don't have to think about. Well, there's a value proposition there. Here you go. So it's the thing that interests me at the time so I can invest my time in it at because it interests me. Well, then what we, what you do, what Robert's trying to do, what, you know, Christmas network it does is provide the value, right? Value proposition of what it means to invest into your spirit and become the man you're supposed to be. And then that's where you see stories like there's a young man there preaching, right? Who was a, who was a drug lord at one time? Yeah. Yeah. That's a guy I was talking about. Phone. Oh, okay. Yeah. Same guy. Same guy. Yeah, because you saw the story in our family thread. Yeah. So, yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean, stuff like that. You know, when, when you see that the value of investing your time and your attention, getting into that thing and how that produces out of your spirit because there's so much of what, how telling people what to do, but you talk about this all the time, information is not revelation, right? Revelation is something you receive. But so much of receiving revelation has to come from your intentionality and, you know, going after the things of your spirit and that's, yeah, well, I'll tell you what was amazing too and what comes out of this is brotherhood. When we talk about brotherhood, we actually mean it. We don't mean just, hey, you know, you're a good guy, you're part of the brotherhood, but it's about brotherhood. It's actually about preferring each other. It's about working together and doing things together and, and many parts of the world, the churches, particularly churches that are lined up with other churches, whether that's a movement of denomination, whatever it may be, tend to be siloed. They tend to kind of be, and I get it, we're working on a project together. So we're all focused on that. Somebody else is working on their deal and we're not focused on their thing, I understand that. And yet, there has to be a time when the church comes together and that's been one of the things that Christian and his network has done not only in, you know, North America and Peru and Argentina, places like that, but in Vietnam, and it was really neat to have some dinners where men came from different backgrounds. They knew each other, but they don't necessarily always sit down for a meal together. And just watching those men talk to each other, articulate with each other, talk to each other about each other's children, that was, that was fantastic. Yeah. So what was, what was for you kind of the most impactful thing? Because I think it's interesting sitting here talking about this where so many people will never see the result, the blessing, right, Abraham's promises that he would never see what wouldn't be multiplied from this. And he never got to see it, right? And so much of what we see in faith and in scripture, he was 11, right, most of us will never see. Right. But you got, you got to see some of the results of this process and Robert gets to see it, right? Robert shows up and he gets to see it. What, like, what is that? Yeah. That's a good question. That's pretty amazing because, and, and, and if you ask me what's the most impactful moment, I would say, and here's the thing, you know, when we commission men in the United States, we do swords. Peru, we have a sword ceremony. I think next year in Brazil, however, our first sword ceremony, it's been medallions and other places. And it's a ceremony. It's an incredible thing to see a man who's gone through all the materials who has invested time, life, effort, two, three, four years of being discipled. And we couldn't do swords in Vietnam was like, yeah, that's not a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to do swords. It's going to look like, you know, we're already skirting the whole thing of, you know, whose license and not and being honorable to the local government and, and that sort of thing. And because we don't dishonor that. And so, so we did medallions. Oh, that's cool. Very cool medallions. And you can see some of my social media that were, it has the seamen logo on one side, has the map of Vietnam and the other. And it's really amazing. So, Christian men's network on one side, and it talks about men of courage and valor. And then it says, well, I don't know what it says, because it's in Vietnam. He just trusted. Or trusting that it says, it's pretty sure says courage, honor, integrity and perseverance. So, all right. That's, yeah. Can't haven't verified yet, but hopefully, for sure, that's like going to and getting a tattoo and then someone tells you, by the way, it's not spelled out, yeah. Yeah. So I think that's really cool, because just as a point here, that, you know, when, someone goes through alcohol recovery, AA, you know, they do tokens. Yeah, I get the chips. And that's very similar to that. It's really when they hold that in their hand. It's such an important. I'm telling you, man, this ceremony where we put these over the men's heads, and it's a medallion. It's a goal. It's like winning the Olympics. And I mean, some guys, this is absolutely just like, oh, you know, and I believe that's what's happening. I believe they've actually stepped up a level in their lives to where they're, because it's the start of something, and that's one of the things they learn when they're going through all the materials. And we do with Christmas and that we're going to do with a Seaman Brotherhood and the Commission, man, it's it's the start of something. You just finish reading some books. You actually got yourself in the place where you launch into being a disciple maker. And so you become valuable in the local church, local community, because you're a man who takes, who takes the time and the effort to stand up, and you get to say that about yourself. Yeah, exactly. Right. So that, I mean, that when you talk about the impact for me, those groups, because you can have large meetings, you can have large events, but it's when you actually see it hit the ground and a man tells you, hey, man, my wife told me, as I was coming over to this, my wife said, hey, I'm really proud of you. I mean, he's calling me. And when we do it with the families, when the families are able to be there, and there's like, there's not, there's nothing like kids have never seen their, their dads. When your wife, heroes like that, yeah, when you're wife and your kids are, are proud of, when they talk about you, like you're a hero, there's something about you as a man. Oh, man. I mean, that fires you up, fires you up. And we had some friends from Indonesia there. So Indonesia now has taken over a million men through maximize manhood in the processes of the Christmas network over the last 14 years. And we had some great friends who came in, Roy and his son and Chris, who's the secretary for Christmas network in Indonesia. They were there. They shared testimonies. And it was really great to see the whole interaction. So you've got a pastor from Hawaii, you've got ministry coming out of California, you've got guys from Indonesia. You've got people from other places coming in. And it was amazing because that truly is the whole brotherhood piece. Is that your mom's phone? So my wife has left her phone. She just came by here, right before the, so, and so I hear this dinghy thinking that your phone's going off. I know, I know my phone's not going off. My phone is just constantly on silence. So I looked just a little to my left and I see this extra phone sitting there. And there's no way to let her know. She left. Yeah. So this is real. Hold on, I'll text her. I'll text her. I'll see. I'll tell her. So this is real life. That's so great. I got, yeah, you're going to have to recap the last, about a minute of what you said. I got. This is real life. Yeah. Carry on. Carry on. So we love her. But I wanted to, to give our friends and partners and there have been a number of great friends who really sacrificed to make this happen in Vietnam and gave to the translations because they're expensive and, and such great friends, Robert Kalachin and Tom and Ahan and the people that giving it back to kids. And so many great friends who have given it into this to make this happen. And just to see the, you're right, to see the actual reward in front of you, the return on investment. You know, and Joe and I said, we got near the end. And Joe, if you haven't met him, he was, I guess for about 12 years, was in the world's strongest man contest. And he was the big, Hawaiian, Samoan chief guy if you ever watched those. And now pastoring in Hawaii, got a great church, destiny church. And, but he stopped, Tom, I think it was Tuesday of the eight, nine, ten days over there. And he says, man, I don't know why, but I am really. He's really tired. She goes, well, because you have done more events in a shorter amount of time than anyone who's ever come here. Yeah. So, yeah. So, how many, how many, we were in like, we were in three cities, right? Okay. We had seven events over eight days. And so, but you know what, what gets me fired up, we were talking about large meetings. And I think that's great. I think large meetings are important, but what really gets me fired up is sitting at a table with about ten pastors, talking about them sharing this with their sphere of influence. Because that's really, for me, that's one of the largest and most important audiences I have is talking to a pastor about, to cycling men. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's key. Right. And it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be special, right? It doesn't have to be this big thing. I mean, a lot of what you guys were doing, you sent me pictures of all you were out. Watching videos as a, as a group, you're watching. Well, Sam Mastell did a, did a video for us, great teaching. Did you shoot it? Yeah. Yeah, you shot that. Yeah, he's fantastic. Yeah. And it was, he shot three videos, which we've actually had translated into Vietnamese and put them on YouTube. But I showed one of them on the testimony of his father who actually had a piece of shrapnel during the Vietnam war as a soldier, a hit story, hit, he had a New Testament in his pocket. And it hit the, it hit that New Testament. He wasn't a Christian. It hit the New Testament, saved his life. And Sam now actually has that New Testament with a bullet hole in it. With a hole in it. Halfway through. Yeah. It's, it's like something out of a movie. So whenever he did that, he talked about leadership and he talked about fatherhood. And then it was all in Vietnamese, we had dub, then, and then he would hold that thing up. And you could hear the crowd, especially in, in Saigon to go, oh, yeah, oh, wow, yeah, highly impactful. So yeah, we did video. We had all kinds of teaching. It was an incredible time. So I want to say thank you again to everybody who was a part of that, how you can go on the social media, Christian Minnes Network, social, see it on there, go to Paul Lewis Cole, see it on there, you see shots of that. By the time you, you hear this podcast, you'll probably be seeing shots out of Brazil. You'll be seeing stuff coming out of Cairo, Egypt, with our training sessions in Cairo. Hopefully, you'll be seeing things out of, if we're not already there yet, November 2, 3 and 4 of 2023, you'll be seeing things from Lion's Roar. And if, and if you've got enough time between your hearing this podcast and these, and November 2, 3 and 4, show up, meet us in Dallas at Lion's Roar. That is cmn-submit.com, cmn-submit.com. Just go to cmn.men, you can click on area and events and find the Lion's Roar conference. Coming up in Dallas with friends like the men from Vietnam, and there's guys from Indonesia who'll be there, the people from Europe, South America, other great friends, but it won't be the same without you coming to Lion's Roar. And you'll meet Bryce, because you'll be leading though. I'll be leading. Oh, you got me again. Yeah. Okay, cool. Confirmed here. Confirmed. On air. So you've been texting it for months, asking you to not. Anyway. Hey, this has been an amazing thing to just think back to this trip. We were in Denang, Hanoi, and Saigon, which is Ho Chi Minh City now. And so to think about what had been classmates of mine who were in that conflict, men I met who were there, who were my age, who were in that conflict, a lot of, in fact, when you on the social see that most of the people who were commissioned were younger men, most of them pastors and leaders were younger men. So it was their fathers and grandfathers who were in this conflict. And in fact, many of their grandfathers were in the conflict with the French before that. And so to see a place that had gone through so much, and now to see the church becoming alive and men being discipled and pastors discipling men, because that's where you get strength. We know you can get spirituality from the women, but strength comes from the men. And that builds a strong container for that spirituality, it just blossomed. You know, we can go back into that and talk about the early church, why women felt so secure and safe, because it was the first time that a religion had really honored women. And so you see that in that culture and Vietnam, where men are being discipled and honoring their wives and doing, and marriage is being strengthened, and pastors feeling really fulfilled in what they're doing, because now the things that are happening are changing families. Not just trying to get more people in the seats, but actually changing and having disciples in the streets. Yeah. There's kind of a thing. There's kind of a meter right there, isn't there? It's not about how many people you have in your seats, it's about how many disciples are in the streets. Straight. Come on, somebody. Go. Yeah, I like that. We couldn't put a beat to that too. Could you beat my beat? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we're not going to do that now, but yeah, no, that's great though, that's powerful, because it's always about how the light is being projected out, right? Yeah, exactly. And that's what we're trying to produce. Yep. So we did some, if you're not on the Brave Men email, you can find out in the show notes, but every week, two or three times a week, we send out a motivational email. And we did send a report from Vietnam on that, but every day, there's motivational emails that come out to talk about what it is to be a man of God, what it is to be a man in this culture, a man of conviction, encourage in an age of compromise and chaos. So that's the other word I was looking for a little bit ago, chaos, chaos and compromise. But in the midst of all this, to be able to be a Daniel that actually speaks truth, stands for truth in the midst of opposition. So thanks for being with us today on Brave Men. Thank you, Bryce, for kind of sitting with me on this conversation about what happened in Vietnam. Thank you to everybody who supported that and we're going back next year and it doesn't stop. It's not like we did an event and then nothing happens. Men, these guys are cranked up over a thousand churches using curriculum to disciple men. So the need is still there. We're still doing stuff. We're going to, you know, the dangerous nations of the world, the 50 most dangerous nations. And goal is to raise up a thousand pastors in each country who will disciple men, actually on purpose. And here's the other thing somebody says, well, does that have to be your book? No, the Bible's pretty good. First and second Timothy, I would recommend does, right? Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, so when we talk about what we're doing, the tools that we have with Christian men's network, it's like my friend, Dwayne Pickett, who pastors in Jack and Mississippi, he said, I had a passion for reaching men, I just didn't have a pathway. He said, when Christian men's network came into my life, it gave me a path to go with my passion for reaching men. So that's what we provide. So we're going in, we want to raise up a thousand pastors in the 50 most dangerous nations of the world, the dangerous nations initiative. And that raise up 50,000 pastors to several five million dads within the next 10 years. I mean, that will change some things, right? Absolutely. So thanks for being a part of Bryce, my son, for being a part of Brave Men today, and a part of the podcast. Thank you for listening today, wherever you are in your car, Bob, on your way to or from your firestone store. Remember, I love you, and everybody else who's been listening right now, thank you for being with us on Brave Men. You've just experienced Brave Men with Paul Lewis Cole. Paul is president of the Christian men's network, connect with Paul at C-A-M-N-D-M-N, or write to him at Paul at C-A-M-N-D-M-N.