BraveMen S4E150: Duane White - Facing Challenges and Transition With Hope

It's Brave Men with Paul Lewis Colm, wisdom and courage for the journey. Hey, welcome to Brave Men. Remember for all the tools that you need for resourcing the discipling of your family or men, your church, C-M-N dot men. Brave Men is a ministry of and outreach of the Christian men's network. I'm talking to it with Dwayne White. Dwayne, you're the head of a major network. You've been a missionary in the UK. You've spoken over 150,000 leaders and trained them face to face and all of this that you've done and found in a church. You and your wife Chris started a church. Yeah, that's a concept and all of this is about following Jesus. Right? How does that motivate you? Where does that come from? What is this following Jesus thing? Let's break that down and that's in Christmas. What's that about? That's such a great such a great question Paul. First of all, thanks for letting me be on here. It's great to be with you today. I'm really looking forward to our time or conversation together. You know, if we, I think Paul, if we were to go to any of our churches, any church in America that's Bible believing, you know, love Jesus and you said, hey, do you want the life of Jesus? How many people in this church want the resurrection life of Jesus? You want the life of Jesus in your life? Everybody throws their hands in the air, right? But then if you follow that up and said, so how many of you are willing to live the life style of Jesus? I think one of two things would happen either very few hands or a lot less hands would be raised or we would make lures out of a lot of people in that room right there because we want the life of Jesus without the life style of Jesus. So following Jesus is to me, it begins with looking at what was his life like and how can my life as a man match up to or look like his life? Because if you ask me as a guy, do you want the life of Jesus in your life? Like I could be a person that's not a church goer, right? Kind of know a little bit about the story and he's a good man and we do Christmas and then there's the Easter thing. I would say, yeah, I would like that kind of peace, that kind of stuff. You know, what do I have to do? I think that's the thing. Like, what does that mean to have the lifestyle of Jesus? Do I think there's keys hidden within the stories of Jesus to give us some some clues as to what that is? One thing, when you look at Jesus, Jesus was never in a hurry. We're always in a hurry. Jesus, if you think about it, we think of interruptions as distractions to what we want to do. Jesus lived the life of interruptions. Wow. He would be on his way to go heal some, you know, Jairus' daughter and a woman with the issue of blood touches him and he says, who touched me and that it sounds like Jesus stopped asking stupid questions. There's a throng of people. I don't know how many people. Yeah, I don't know what a throng is, but it's got to be a lot. More than a few. And they're all touching. More than a gaggle. They're all touching you. So, why don't you ask this question? He said, no, she touched me and he stops and he engages her. He heals. He says, woman, your faith has made you whole. I think so many times we would have said, here, read my seven step book on how to get healed or I'm too busy for you, lady. I've got to go heal somebody else. Jesus lived a life that interruptions were opportunities. Wow. And so to follow Jesus, I think the first thing I got to do is slow down and start noticing things, start noticing people, stop being in such a hurry. Jesus locked us full, but it was never busy. There's a big difference. Yeah, so he was present. I mean, yes, the vernacular, if you will, of psychology and coaching, he was present. He was always present. So he saw people. He didn't just see blur. Yes. I don't know. You know, we're recording this at Christmas and some of this might be listening to this at Christmas, but we went to a mall yesterday by wife and I. Oh, God help you. Well, it's over in North Park. And we like it. And we like, there's a couple of restaurants there. And we like a couple of stores and we're like, okay, but dude, it started getting busier and busier and busier and pretty soon you're not even looking at people. You're just seeing a blur. You're just trying not to run into people, especially I've got this surgery on my shoulder. And I'm trying not to get hit, you know, and pretty soon you don't see people. You just see a blur. And maybe that's, that's how we live too often. Go ahead. I think, I think Paul, it's so true. As men, we need to learn to be present in our marriages, present with our children, present even in our workplace. If we're, if we own a business or, or, or, or flip hamburgers, it doesn't matter what we do. Are we present to the people around us? Are we just doing tasks? And so, so again, when interruptions come, they're not agitations, they're opportunities. And, and slowing our world down and saying, wait a minute, life may be happening fast, but internally I can slow my clock down and I can be present to the world around me, the people around me. I can notice them. People are hurting. They're dying. They're going through all kinds of things. What can I do to be present with them? I think that's a beginning point to the lifestyle of Jesus. Again, he wasn't lazy. His life was full. He was doing stuff, but he, but he, but he wasn't, he didn't have the busyness. We wear busyness like a badge. Oh, how are you doing? How are you? I'm busy. As if that's a badge of honor. How about saying I'm present, you know, I'm trying to slow down and being aware. You're so right because it is not a badge of honor to say, yeah, dude, I've just about on my way to a heart attack. Yeah, I'm living on killing myself. Yeah, I'm living an awesome life. I borrowed so much money. I mean, so much debt, but my Instagram looks fantastic. I'm a jerk to everybody around me, you know, wake up and kick the cat every morning, you know, whatever. Well, I don't think that guy would even have a cat, nonetheless. I press. So, okay, so that's number one. So I think it's slow down. So following Jesus is about the being present, which means relationship. Yes. Yes. So to be in relationship with somebody, you've got to slow down enough to be, to connect. Jesus. Absolutely. I think one of the second things is is Jesus taught us how to follow the greatest leader in the world said, I don't do anything unless my father tells me to do it. I don't, I listen to my father and I do exactly what he tells me to do when he tells me that. Say what the father says, I do what the father does. So the greatest leader in all the world taught his disciples by following the father. And so, you know, we, we both are in this cohort together and we've been, you know, we just spent a great time together and Lynn talks about this all the time, documents, we talk about how there's all these leadership conferences everywhere. But what about followership conferences? What about listening ear conferences? What about again, I can't hear, I think it begins with slowing down, but once I slow down, then I need to hear him speak because God is always speaking. So what does he have to say? What does he have to say about today? What does he have to say? You know, we, we, we think of Easter when we hide the eggs and and everybody loves to watch their kids or grand kids go search for the eggs. But the point is you don't hide them from the kids. You hide them for the kids. And God, the Holy Spirit, well, you can put it this way. The father has hidden Easter eggs, if you will. He's hidden treasures in every day. And the Holy Spirit is that guide to help us go find them because they're not hidden from us. They're hidden for us. So what are we doing to slow down and listen to the father what he has to say and listen to Holy Spirit saying, you know, when we were kids, we used to play that game warmer, colder, hotter, colder when you're trying to find something. I think Holy Spirit does that. He's like, oh, yeah, there it is. You're almost there. Yeah, you got it. So the older I get, the more childlike I want to become, I want to wake up every day and say, okay, Holy Spirit, where are the treasures the father put in this day? That's a fantastic picture. And yeah, we were with Dr. Leonard Sweet, who's written so many great books and a great friend. And we were in this cohort on semiotics. This study of meaning and the symbols of things behind the stories. And it was a wonderful time. I, and so just later, but now I was with a bunch of smart people like Dwayne. And sitting with Dr. Leonard Sweet and my life scripture is probably 1728, which is even the fullest thought wise when he keeps his mouth shut. So I tried to, tried to not talk, but that was one of the big things that came out of that is, is he wrote a book I am a follower and it had to do with, you know, you can't, it's so funny. Nobody, nobody will go to a followership conference. Right. You can't, but leadership, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, everybody wants to be a leader, but, but yeah, I think it's Sam Chan that says, your level of leadership will grow only to the level of pain for which you're willing to endure. Yes. And I think that's the thing people, we forget about leadership is that Jesus followed his leadership came out of his following, and his following came out of his humility, and his humility was actually strength, not weakness. And, and that is so, so good. I think, I think, you know, Paul, if we, if we talked about just a few things, we could do this for days, but slowing down, listening to what God says, and then Jesus lived a life of sacrifice and servanthood. He lived his life sacrificially and as man, if we're going to live the lifestyle of Jesus, we don't live it arrogantly. We live it in humility. We don't come as, as Esquire, but we come to Inquire. We don't come to dominate, but we come to serve. And so I think that, that instead of coming with our sector to rule, we come with our towel to wash feet and mother trains to talk about washing the feet of the world. And I love that metaphor. What if we just said we're going to wash the feet of the world? Yeah, you know, great close friend. Doug Stringer says something, I'll mess it up a little bit, but basically he says, when, when, when most men grab for the throne of a king, Jesus grabbed the towel to wipe others feet. Yes. Come on. You know, and, and that. Now, okay, so let's talk about that. Let me, let me move in there. Humility. Does that mean I just don't build my business? Does that mean I don't try to, you know, I don't try to have that sort of what? What's humility mean? That's a great, that's great. I think humility is the point where we bow our knee and surrender to the bigger picture of God's purpose. And so, so, but God wants me to, He wants me to succeed more than I want to succeed. He wants me to, to provide for my family more than I want to provide for my family. He wants me, but it begins with humility is a posture of the heart. It's a surrendering of my way, my plan. I did it my way, my way or the highway. So, so Jesus, it's interesting talking about king, maybe going around this way. Jesus was prophet priest and king, right? And his men in our home, you could say we're meant to be like Jesus to be prophet priest and king. Prophets declare blessings, priests serve sacrificially and then the king rules. If I'll be prophet and priest, my family will might make king. But if I'm trying to be king first, then, then that never works. Let them declare you king, you just be prophet and priest. So, so it's not about meat missing humility is not about timidity. You can be bold and be humble. You can be, you can be confident and be humble. Jesus was the most confident man ever to walk the face of the earth, but he did it in humility. So, I think that it's, it's a posture of the heart. It's a, it's a surrender of my agenda and my will. But that doesn't mean it's self-defacing or because Jesus never did that. You never walked around and went, oh, you know, don't, I'm not worthy. I just didn't really was. Yeah, you know, it's been said humility is not thinking less of yourself. It's thinking of yourself less. Bingo. Yeah, bingo. These strength under control. You know, I'm talking with Dwayne White, who has a master of ministry from Christian and Christian leadership from Southwestern Christian University, planted the the bridge church in Denton, Texas, which I had heard about for years. And now you guys have done a great work, a lot of outreach, very diverse. You head up the O2 network of churches. And yet you're in the middle of some transition right now, right? Yes. So how does following Jesus? How do you know? So here I am. And I've got this business. Let's say I'm going to transition. Let's say I'm running my, like my friend Bobby's running his store, Firestone store, Flagstaffer Arizona. Shout out to Bob. So now I want to do some other things. I want to branch into another area of owning another business. So I want to divest this one and do something else or I want to expand this. How do I hear the voice of God? How did you how are you transitioning from one place of being the lead pastor of this church, right? Moving into being the leader of a large network of churches. How do you hear the voice of God and that? You just kind of wake up one day and go, oh yeah, that kind of feels good. Or you hear a song and a radio and you go, that's the song. I'm that's great. That's a great question. I think Paul, it's true whether you're the owner and a CEO of a business or you're the pastor of a church or you're whatever it is you do, any we could go on and on with listing things. But it comes back full circle of where we began is slowing down long enough to hear his voice and read the signs. You know, we're talking about semionics. God is putting signs to point us in the right direction all the time. And he wants to speak to us, but he doesn't yell. He doesn't scream. He doesn't come in the earthquake. He doesn't come in the wind and the fire. It's that still small voice. So getting still enough and quiet enough to hear him. So for me, what happened was backing up a little bit. We were traveling in 2006. I flew. We've been missionaries. Well, let me back up just a bit. We've been pastoring. Sorry. I'm already going to back up. Not too much. Yeah, I was born. I was born in a young age. So we have been an associate pastor for 13 years. God calls us to start this mission organization. We quit that. We launch out. We're traveling the world. Go as missionaries for two years to England. Thought we were going for six months. Ended up staying two years on a word from God. Stayed there two years. God then said, now it's time that you're done here. Go back home. So we go back to Texas. Start all over again. It's our third time to start over in six years. We start over again and we're going and blowing 2006. I preached 350 times. Fly 250,000 air miles. Have a staff of six or seven. I preached in 17, 18 countries that year. And God says now plan a church. And so we planted a church in 07. Then he tells us to start this network. We do that. And then all of these things are happening. And I go on a sabbatical. What is that? I slowed down. I took a month off. Never done that at 35 years of ministry. Wow. I took a month off and I slowed down. And I said, Jesus, I put everything on the table again. Paul, that's easy when you're 30. It's harder when you're 55. Because when you're 30, you got your whole life ahead of you. But you also have some margin where you go, I don't know. If it dumps, I'll just start over with something else. Yeah. Well, you know, they say that every major decision or life costs you seven years. Well, when you're 30, you got a lot of seven years ahead of you. When you're 65, there's less of those that work when you're 30. So anyway, he said, I want you to name your successor next year. And I had no idea who it was. So I went on this journey and he showed us who it was. And we talked to them and God confirmed it. We named him as our successor because the Lord had said 2022 is going to be a major year of shift. So he said, I'm going to shift people all over the body of Christ. I have about 12 friends that have transitioned their churches this year. And some of them had not even thought they would do it January 1st, but God's vote to them. What is that? These people slowing down long enough. I mean, all the transitions in your life, you shared a little bit out, you know, you were blown and going in business and all the things that God says, pick this thing up, pick, relaunch this ministry. So you've lived it. But I think part of it is, and I'll just throw this nugget out there. I've been received as sort of a prophetic voice all over the world. And so I'll go in and prophesy to people in churches and situations and circumstances. And that's been cool and fun. But one day I woke up and realized, Duane, you're so busy hearing me for everyone else. You're not slowing down long enough to hear me for you. Wow. So stop and listen to what I want to say about Duane to Duane. Not about what you're going to do, where you're going to go next. The next ministry thing you're going to do, but slow down and listen to me about Duane. And so I went on this journey to face myself. And the hardest, I've faced some pretty tough stuff, Paul. The hardest thing I ever had to face was me. And so God began to work in me and it transformed the way I lived my life. Coming out of that sabbatical, I made some decisions that I would never go back to living my life certain ways. Again, I'm not talking about simple ways. I'm just talking about a lifestyle that wasn't living or following the lifestyle that Jesus, the pattern he put out for us. So good, man. You know, the thing that hits me is it's something we put in a book a while back, which is focus is not about greater intensity. It's about greater intentionality. Oh, that's good. A sabbatical, what you're really talking about is you probably, you know, you just guess, you probably read the Bible maybe a little more. Oh, yeah. You probably because everybody wants a word. They're waiting for a word. I just need a word. Yeah. Oh, God's already written it. And then you probably prayed, right? Yeah. More intense time. More times of prayer. Prayer strips away the inconsequential. It's in prayer that vision is forged because vision is forged in the discipline to extract yourself from the unnecessary. And when we talked about, right, very start about the distractions of life and all these things, it's easy to feel very productive. And it's one of the books that I can't remember which book it was I read in the course with Dr. Sweet this year. They talked about the sound of productivity that that in the industrial age, when you heard the rail cars going and you heard the steel mills and you heard the factories going, there was a noise, a lot of noise. And the noise meant during the industrial age that we were highly productive, highly productive. So that is all this noise. And now we don't have that. So in order to feel productive, we create our own noise. So true. That's essentially what social media is. Social media is a lot of noise noise. We put a lot of stuff out there thinking, oh, we're productive just because there's a lot of noise. And what you've reminded us, and particularly point one, about listening about following Christ, which is to be at peace, which is shalom, everything as it should be, is to slow down. I mean, it's almost like, it's almost like the picture of CS Lewis talked about the hound of heaven, right? The Holy Spirit. God's, you know, being a follower of Christ, Christianity is the one religion in which rather than man trying to find God, God is trying to find man. Yeah, exactly. And so we actually slowed down long enough that he catches up with us. So you made a major transition. Tell me about the bridge church in Denton, Texas. The bridge is, it's a great church. We started with a few people in our living room and we had a vision for all ages, all races and all kinds. And we really went after the poor and the marginalized, and we decided that we wanted to go after the unchurched and the deep church, not the church. We weren't trying to reach church people. We were trying to get those that weren't a part of church. And so we went to the fringes of society and God just really blessed us. And we started, we began an outreach and we just kept reaching out into the community and to supplement people and God just did everything they said you couldn't do in Denton, Texas. We just attempted to do. So they said you can't do a whole list of things. And I said, okay, there's a list of what I believe God wants to do. And he did it. And so we've handed off to this, our, our successors, our young couple, well, they're not that young. They're just, I'm getting older, but they're in their mid 40s. So it's not that young. But everybody's young. Everybody's younger, younger than me. But he's, he's a great guy, Jay and Cece Pieke. She's from Columbia. He is from Oklahoma. We don't hold that against him. He's still loving him anyway. But he has a doctor, his doctorate from ORU and he's led a Bible college and and he's traveled the world and preached with me and our mutual friend Tony Miller and so he was the perfect person. And he's come in. We handed it off a couple of months ago and he's doing a fantastic job. And the bridges futures bright. We're excited to get to watch it now. We kind of become the grandparents and let them be the parents. It's funner. Yeah, true. Yeah, it is, it is, it is funner. And it's great to watch and great to see what the Church of Jesus Christ is doing because if we're not careful, we listen to the 24 seven news cycle and we think the whole world's going to hell. It's right. Jesus comes back for a powerful strong robust church, the bride of Christ. And frankly, I think the, the church, if you will, in general, is a pretty easy target. I hear a lot of guys preach about the church did this and the church doesn't do that. And we get disappointed really easily. You talked about the D church. You mentioned that in a phrase you just talked about. You wanted to go reach the D church. And I think many of us probably feel that way, even if we're still attending. Yeah, it's a little bit. Yeah, I don't know. I get disappointed. How do we walk from the disappointment of this past year? How do I walk from that D church place? How do I walk back into this relational place? How do I walk away from disappointment? And make this next year, you know, next level in my life. How do I do that, Blaine? I think another, another great question, Paul, a lot, you know, we're filming this right at, I mean, I know people watch it whenever, but we're filming at Christmas. We talk about Advent at Christmas and Advent, of course, is the Latin for coming. He has come. He is come. And he is yet to come. He was. He is. And he is to come. Revelation says so, so part of to answer your question, I think part of embracing and having a hope is believing that he has come. He is coming now. But in 2023, he's going to come again. I'm going to talk about his second coming. I'm going to talk about the second coming. I'm talking about all the comings between the manger and the second coming. He wants to keep and that presents hope. So there's always hope for Jesus to show up in any situation in any circumstance at any moment. So I think sometimes we make the mistake of saying, oh, I just can't wait to get to the next year. And then we go just live the exact same way that we live here before and expect different results. So one of the things I like to tell people is, is a God who lives outside of time, created time and he put me in a moment of time. So although God is not bound to our calendar, he'll use our calendars. So January is coming up. What if we realize that to end well, we got to begin with the end of mine. So in January, let's put first things first and the kingdom and the kingdom, what is last is first and what is first is last. So what if I said, I'm going to turn my world upside down and I'm going to reprioritize my life in such a way that the way I'm going to make 2023 great is I'm going to make some adjustments to my lifestyle to make sure that my lifestyle is like the lifestyle of Jesus. I'm going to put first things first, not second things first. I'm going to major on the majors. And I believe Paul, if we do that, we may, instead of a New Year's resolution, we made some, got some New Year revelation of how I'm going to, I get a revelation that I'm going to readjust my priorities. I'm going to readjust my lifestyle. I believe if we do that and stick to it, next year at the end of the year, we'll say, man, this has really been the most powerful year of my life. I believe that with all my heart. This appointment is not where you are, but where you expect it to be. And so this appointment in our lives, I look at it this way, you know, the whole resolution thing that we do, but I think resolutions are just made to be broken. I tell them absolutely. Don't make a resolution, start a new habit. Right. Exactly. Because your disappointment wasn't based on where you were, but where you expected to be. So let's shift that a little bit. And you mentioned the word reprioritize priorities. And let's change a habit. Let's change a habit. That might be for some of us the 15 minutes that we get up earlier every day. Instead of, instead of jumping up, brushing our teeth and then waking the kids up, you know, for school. Maybe it's 20 minutes earlier. I remember Coach McCartney a number of years ago. It was in the meeting with a group of us and he said that how many of us would like 100. I think it was like how many of us would like 180 more hours a year, you know, like a full week. How many of us would like a more 180 more hours a week and it was yeah, he goes, well, then just get up a half hour earlier every day. Yeah. And what if what if right now some of us made the choice? I'm setting that back. I'm getting up 15, 20 minutes earlier. I'm going to do a 10 minute devotional. We've got an email coming out starts the first of January, the first part of January for Christmas Network. And it's a daily email Monday through Friday. It's about a three minute read and it's just hope for every day. You know, it's not going to put on your brave. And what if you just read that for three minutes? Yeah. Five minute word of prayer. Pray over your family. It's that old phrase. We talk a lot about don't talk to your children about God until you talk about your children. So pray over your family. Pray over your wife. If you're married. Pray over your business. Pray over there. Just bam, by by name. And then see what happens. See what begins to happen because prayer produces intimacy. And we become intimate with the ones we pray for. And now here I am praying for my wife and all of a sudden I'm thinking a little different. My expectation begins to change. So my disappointment threshold is now just it's broadened. You know, something you said there Paul is so good. I said some weird. He said a lot of good things right there. So really good stuff. I help people. I help people rewind that and listen to it a few times. Disappointment causes us to misdivine appointments. Wow. So good. And we've got to learn. I said that. Well, you did. So how do we change that? Well, we've got to learn the difference in expectation and expectancy. Wow. So when I attach my expectation to something, then I got you got to do it this way. Then I lose my sense of expectancy for God to even show up anymore. So God's it's back to that Easter egg that hunt for the great thing. He's hidden something great. But I don't have an expectancy to go find it because I'm disappointed. I miss my last appointment. But one of the things if people would do what you just said and I might have one little thing I've been doing for over a year now and it changed my life every morning when I sit like you're saying and I'm praying over my family, my wife, my all the things. I begin every day with this statement. I say, Jesus, I give everyone and everything to you. I give everyone and I say it over and over till I believe it. Sometimes it's three times. Sometimes it's 10 times. And I stop and take 60 seconds to take three deep breaths, say no matter what I face today. Now, you know what, Paul? Sometimes there's 20 times during the day. I have to stop and go, Jesus, remember what I said. I give you everything and everyone. I'm doing it again. Right now I give everything. What is that? I'm giving up my expectation of an expected outcome and I'm putting my hope in Jesus. It's called benevolent detachment and I'm detaching myself from outcomes and attaching myself to the presence in the person of Jesus. Well, again, we come back to what we started with living in the present. That is so good. Been talking with Dwayne White who leads a great network of churches called the O2 and Gray Man, Tony Miller, had been part of the process of building that. You're a great friend who went to be with the Lord too young and then started a church called the bridge, which is now your transition out of, which is in Texas. You've traveled all over the world and it is just absolutely uplifting to be able to talk to someone like yourself Dwayne. Thanks for coming to be on Brave Men. Brave Men is an outreach of the Christian Men's Network and you can find the tools and resources for the Cycling Men at cmn.men. Don't go CNN. You won't get the site there. Won't be as uplifting. cmn.men. And if you want to write to me, write to me at Paul at cmn.man. Paul at cmn.man. I'm Paul Lewis Cole and I'm the chief steward of the Christian Men's Network. You know, the whole leadership thing is a funny conundrum isn't it? You know, we follow but in our following, we lead but our leading is to be a servant leader. Yeah. And if you're the head of a business, if you're one of business, if you're running somebody's business or managing, it is all about serving because the more people you serve, I never forget years ago, they used to have it at McDonald's. It was on there. It was on there at the Golden Arches. And it was something like over 55 million served. You know, now it's in the billions. But back in the day, that was their measurement. How many people did they serve? It wasn't how much money we made. What was our profit margin? What was our third quarter? It was how many people have we served? And the more we serve, the greater our impact on life is. Thank you, Dwayne White for being with us, ma'am. Thank you. And you are the first, we pray blessings on you and pray blessing on everything. You put your hands to this next year. It's going to be exciting to watch what happens in your lives. And what's the O2 network? Is there a website we can go to to see what you guys are up to? Either should be. I'm black, the least techy person in the world. I think it's o2network.org. I think we're on Instagram and probably Facebook. I don't know. We're on all those things. We're on we should be on all the things. You can find me at dwaynewhite.online. I think I think that's what it is. D-u-a-n-e-w-h-i-t-e.online. But yeah. I really don't online. Okay. And then and you have messages there and we can actually go to the bridge church. Yeah. And fine. Yeah, go to the bridge. Yeah, if you go to their YouTube channel, the bridge church in Denton. There's loads of sermons there. I wrote a book a few years ago called Hooper Man. It's based off, because Superman doesn't exist. Right. So learning how to live a life that transforms beyond limits is based on a Greek word. And you can go to Amazon and look up Hooper Man and get my book. My wife has a book out called Mind Renovation. It's based on how you renovate a house like Chip and Joanna renovate houses. Well, it's the idea of how we renovate our mind. And so it's called Mind Renovation. Chris White, K-R-I-S. So people can get those on Amazon. Chris White, K-R-I-S in Mind Renovation. That's fantastic. And yours was based on the on the Greek word Hooper Nakedo, right? Yeah. Yeah. So Hooper is the prefix that you can put to any word like our super hyper Hooper Nakedo is Hooper Nike. So it's more than overcoming. It's super overcoming. So it's living living a Hooper live instead of a super live. Yeah, Romans. We're more than overcomers. Caucus. Yeah. So you're not it's Nike. You're hyper Nike. That's right. Hyper Nike. More. Ephesians 320 exceedingly abundantly beyond all we can ask for. Thank that's Hooper. Hooper. Hooper. Hooper. It's all these hooper words. I love them. So it's all for Paul. Paul love that word. Love to throw that word on anything. All right. Thanks for being with us tonight on Brave Men today, man. You're awesome. Love you. Thanks for having me. I love you, buddy. You've just experienced Brave Men with Paul Lewis Cole. Paul is president of the Christian Men's Network. Connect with Paul at cmn.man or write to him at Paul at cmn.man.