BraveMen S4E135: JESUS and Life with Venshard Dobbins

Last Saturday, I was one of the most inspirational meetings I've been in in a long time, and it wasn't me speaking. So, you know, I'm not doing that thing, but I was with my friend, Vinciard Dobbins, who's the pastor of men at Potter's House Church in Dallas, Bishop T.D. Jakes, lead pastor, and our friend Michael Phillips and a number of others. But it was, it was wild. It was the first time that I'd met in a few years because of COVID, all the lockdowns, all the issues, but man, they were fired up, and Vinciard had it going on. It was, it was incredible. So, I want to meet my friend Vinciard right now. He's got an amazing background, a remarkable testimony, and his background playing football in Odessa, Permian, and then Friday night lights, all that. He was part of those football teams. He's a man's man, but he's also a man that just deeply loves compassion at full of grace, mercy, strength, he's Christlike, and I love that about him. This, the way he walks away treats people, the way inner acts, an amazing man. And for all the tools, and this is one of the things he got up and said this on Saturday at this meeting, he said one of the, one of the people he learned so much from in terms of his growth as a man was from Dr. Evan Lewis Cole. That's my father. I'm Paul Cole, and this is Brave Men, the podcast, as an outreach of Christmas Network. 46 years ago, Christmas Network began with our family and the kitchen table in my father's house, and today still going over 100 nations around the world. We're men are being mentored over 800,000 men every single month. And Vinshard speaks in this program today about Jesus, about his faith, about his walk with Christ, for the tools that you need to disciple men. And one of the things Vinshard said was he learns so much by reading maximize manhood. That's an audio book now also. It's an audio in English and Spanish, and it's available in audible.com and places like that. Go to semen.men. You can find all our tools there. Christmas Network dot man. I want to thank you for being here today on Brave Men. You're going to enjoy and really be blessed by this moment with Vinshard Dobbins today on Brave Men. It's Brave Men with Paul Lewis Cole wisdom and courage for the journey. I'm talking with Vinshard Dobbins is a sociopathic potter's house. You're in charge of a number of things there with Bishop Jake's, but in particular you and I met because of your discipleship of men and manpower men's ministry. You guys have an amazing reentry into into a society program for men coming out of incarceration. Yes, it's pretty amazing what you've done. But so one of the things I always tell people I love my friend Vinshard because you're real. Charlie, when the Christ people come sit there and you say, he's becoming that's like, you know, most preachers would have given me like three points, man. You know, I'll be obviously got real. Yeah, you know, I've seen the growth and the explosion from a numerical standpoint. And this is for the person, the guy out there who just may think his kids are just going to stray gone awry. I was 17 years old. My then girlfriend was pregnant with my oldest son. She was six months pregnant. I'd always been an athlete grew up in the Odessa area Friday night light. So that's a permit football basketball track. I'm going back to Adam and I could you were Friday night lights. I mean seriously, you were on the team that became fantasy. Anyway, let's keep going. You know, you can you can catch a touchdown. You can dunk a basketball. You can run a 45 in the 400, but figuring out life was a mind boggler for me at 17. Father passed away when I was 12. At that time, I was not currently staying with my mother. I had my own apartment, my girlfriend six months pregnant and a rival athlete from Odessa high, which is a rival high school there invited me to church. Wow. I was born at 17 years old, probably two to three months later, really just started reading the Bible to see what was in it while I was yet living in sin. I mean, my living girlfriend, we would also have another son. We became friends, you know, and say friends we never got married. Both took totally different paths. So when I think of the question central age wise, accepting him 17, but it took probably two to three more years to really accept and fully be filled with the Holy Spirit. Where a lot of things will begin to taper off. This is not a one stop shop. Sometimes we like centers of conference. Are you left right up that are you really center here? But I had to stay hungry, had to stay thirsty for his presence. And I'm still working on it every day. I've seen how my story ends and I became a pastor, God called me started preaching and teaching, but that becoming central was a maneuvering like I'm not on a ship. It was a turning. It didn't happen all at once. But you know, the other thing that out of that, because you know, 17 years old, having a child son, and then another boy, and you guys and you maintain, you know, the relationship, you you were in their lives. And fact, isn't your is your oldest, the one that's working with Tesla? Yes, now we have a blender family. My oldest is working with Tesla. When I married my wife, my wife had a son. So together we have four boys talking about my two older, the oldest son I'm talking about. He's got a jewelry business in New York. He's the one in New York with the jewelry business. Yes, the second one helps call the patients and the fourth one is a senior high school. And it's getting ready to play college football somewhere. So that's the, that is the prayer request right now. Pray for, pray for Pastor Dawman's man. Joshua Dom in 6 to 190 corner. We have come on man. Yeah, and maybe who knows who's watching right? 4 4 is nice. We talk so many different schools that some of your offers has been a huge shake up and every other day I asked some last night I said, what is it like talking to a coach a new coach called him from particular school. And sometimes you get excited, but it's almost like I hope the firm makes a heart sick. So waiting to see who's really going to give the best deal and we're believing God that it's getting ready. You know, let me, let me ask you this then, let me just jump right into this because part of talking about this Jesus centered in our lives. How does, how does Jesus centered when we talk about that? How does that shit with being a dad of kids blended family, all of that. How does that work when you're raising boys? You will soon realize you are not in control. Associate Pastor now, bless. I've been married almost 20 years and I think that I give him glory honor and praise. It's something that we had to work at. I think it is about totally surrendering what we think and really want to do at times. Like, oh, I have four boys are just listen and then their time to like, wait a minute. Did I tell them the right thing to do or did I force it? How did I communicate? So it is really about submission. The more we submit, the more they are more likely to follow that pattern. But when we're off, they may not be off that day, but I can normally look a week, two weeks, three weeks, a few months down the line to say, wait a minute, that's because of the decision. Let me go back and correct that and restore the thought and what I modeled before the mentoring and modeling are extremely important for sons, men, colleagues, you name, you don't have to be a man to know how to mentor a model, but whatever you model becomes a mentor in the life of somebody who is touring your life, men touring other men's lives. Wow. So good, man. Now, how did you, so you, you come up and, okay, so let's just hit the football thing. So you were at, you were in that famous school Friday night lights. And it was like the book in the movie, essentially, right? It was literally like that and beyond. And the grateful thing with me is I end up having knee surgery, because I was playing football, basketball track, and I was just wearing my knee down. And I don't think if I hadn't had knee surgery, I would have ever slowed down to pay attention to God long enough. Wow. And sometimes like Jacob, he hits you in the hip. The Bible says he's smold him in the hip joint. Well, what do you do when you can't perform as a man? Wow. What do you do when all of your identity is based upon your athletic ability? Now, as a smart kid on a society, God bless me with the gift to be able to make A's and so on and so forth. But my passion was on the field because that's where the adabois come from. Right. That's where the kudos come from. That's where the recognition comes from. And so it was any any time you played before 20, 25,000 people every Friday night in high school and high school, that does something here. Yeah, I, you know, the thing is ventured and what you and I talked about it over breakfast and in different times. You know, following following going after Christ, one of the things you begin to realize is, I got to start working on my character. All the world has ever told me to do is work on my talent. Right. And I've just been rewarded over and over on my talent. And yet that's not going to sustain me when times get tough. That's so good. Right. So that's what you're talking about. How do you, how do you do that with, you know, you've got these amazing reentry programs and things and and for that matter. Most of us as men right now in our culture, we're in our mid 20s and living in culture before we actually re enter the real world. That's like right. I mean, we're living in all these little fantasies and dreams and you're going to kill it and you're going to crush it. And it was like a friend of mine said one time, he says, you know, a lot of guys sitting around waiting for their ship to come in, but they didn't send one out. And, and so the fact is, how do you help guys come to that realization of, brother, that talent, that little gift you have right now, a little talent thing, that's not going to sustain you in the toughest time. How do you help men discover that deep inner part of knowing Christ. That is a statement because what you reap is what you sow. And sometimes people say this in a bad way, it can be a good way. It is just a cycle of process and principle in which God allowed to be in place. So I have the privilege of overseeing our prison ministry, I partner with a very smart young lady by the name of Tina and I do who oversees the Texas offenders reentry initiative. So what we are trying to do is teach former incarcerated inmates that it may take a while to change this, but once you change this and this changes eventually your family gets to see you in a different light. And it's not just the talent, it is tapping into teaching, whether it's a former incarcerated man, whether it's any kind of man, we're based on our talent, athletically, academically, socially, psychologically, our influence, money, our fame, our job. That's talent, but there needs to be teaching on how to handle the talent. And the talent is what God gave you to work with, but what you give the people around you, your family to work with is what you've been taught. And that's why I have to try to read some of these things behind me called the Bible or books that are biblical based in Christianity. Not that that's all I read, but what I'm trying to do is teach myself how to be more like Christ, how to be a believer. The Bible even never really used the word Christians. He came a term for us being Christ like we were first called believers. And so I want to ask anybody listening, what do you believe about yourself? Do you believe your talent? Because that's only a part of you. That is not the sum total of who you are. That is some of your gifts in action. So good. You know, we hit this whole thing starting Monday night. We're going back into a six week intensive on Monday night men. And you've been part of some of our things broadcasts into Vietnam teaching pastors with trained over 2000 pastors, you and I and Tom Lane and a number of other friends in Vietnam. How to disciple men. But we go into this Monday night on Monday night men, which is eight o'clock central and YouTube. And every Monday night for six weeks, six week intensive on identity purpose and brotherhood. One of the core things there that you and I've talked about is you can, you know, we try to legislate what men are with their hands. We try to put laws and constraints around it. But until a man's heart changes, nothing changes. So it's all your hands always follow your heart. And so whatever you put in your heart is what your hands will eventually do. That's right. That's why you and I are working so hard with different with men on issues like pornography and things like that distractions that move their heart in different place because eventually their hands are going to do the stuff that put in their heart. That was right. What do you teach men about there about guarding their heart and building their heart, Vincere? The crazy thing is that first I try and teach them the first open their heart because so many men are guiding and guarding that heart. Let's first open it up so that we can see what's in there. If you go to the doctor, whether it is a stethoscope or a light to something that is looking on the inside to diagnose what's going on first. And I don't think first of all men open up their hearts enough for people to really see what's going on. You know how we are men are like apples. I use this illustration, men are like apples and women are like oranges, men are like apples because we've only got a few seeds on the inside. And in order to get to our core, you have to bite and bite and bite. You have to cut and cut and finally you will see the seed, which is the thing that actually reproduces another apple. But women are quite different women are like oranges. They have a hole on the outside and you have to peel them. Women have so many different layers. If you peel them, there's a citrus that comes out. Notice an orange is dissected in so many different slices. She's got a seed in every slice. She's got a different emotion for every occasion for every friend. She's got an expression. So women do a much better job at articulate how they feel. Are you happy? Are you sad? How do you feel? Is it anxious and excited? Men, we have two gears. It's either we're pleased or not. It's either we're hanging or we're okay. So it's first opening up the heart. And once we remove some of the things that don't need to be there continually. Then we're saying, wait a minute. Don't let that come back in. You're susceptible to this or maybe you are vulnerable to this. So now let's guard what you put in your heart. And what a man puts in his heart is what he thinks he needs to do to be accepted in society or in his family. Do I measure up? Do I measure? Am I enough? Am I enough? Wow. If I don't think I'm enough, whatever you think I need to do, I'm going to jump through that hoop. And we don't often talk about real self-esteem with men. And how dare we admit as men that we are depressed. No, I'm just angry. No, dude, you know, you know what it's like, you come up to a man and you go, hey, man, what's up? How you doing? You go, I'm good. I'm good too. But if you walk up to a guy and you go, hey, what's up? You guys, you know, I've really been kind of depressed about a particular thing. You know, for us as a guy, we kind of go, okay, cool. See you later. Like peace. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Good, man. Cause if a guy tells you down the front end, he's like, okay, I don't want to get involved in this. You know, but isn't that what brotherhood is all about? You know, I talked about this a lot about we actually asked asked the second question. Hey, man, how you doing? I'm good. Really? Because you're good at this. You're really good at this because you've done this to me. How you doing? Good. Doing good. You're doing good. Yeah. No, really. How are you doing? That's right. It's the second time. It's the second time you're good at that because you've done that to me. You've been like, no, seriously. How's things go with this or that? It's, I think it's a pattern of, and we have that relationship, but it's a pattern of letting another man know like, it's okay. If it's not, okay. I know you got pressure from bills, family, finances, life, mortgage, car insurance. You name it. I get it. There's a plethora of things. Student loan or whatever the case may be, but I care about you, not the accrued, not the outer accruements of what you think you need to provide for your family or society. I'm interested in you. And I think what we generally show men that we are concerned about them solely and not their performance or what their talent can do. A deeper relationship begins to ensue. We're changing. Yeah. We can stay surface a long time, man. These guys. Yes. Yeah. And then we, and then we call them friends. You don't even know if they have kids. You know, it's like, you know, man, and where did you meet Bishop Jake's and how did this happen that you're a core component of what the Lord is doing through this amazing movement of Potter's house, literally all over the world. And I wish I had a great magical story. But to be honest with you, I'm. I got a track scholarship ran track at a college in Missouri. And I'm watching the sky on TV and something leaps in my spirit to say like, man, he gets me. I get him. Like, I got to be connected there. This is after I accepted my call to preach and teach and started ministering. I was in college, literally. And something in me was saying, I've got to get to the Potter's house of Dallas, graduated, got here as soon as I could. Literally, it's almost like the Potter's house became my grad school and eventually serving ministering in the prison ministry and so on and so forth. My name began to spread or be known. And there will be certain occasions where he would either summon for me. And then eventually I would get to preach at the Potter's house and build a relationship. And I'm just grateful to know someone who's changing the world. You don't have to be known to change the world. I think all of us are changing the world in different arenas, but to get to meet a once in a lifetime, what I call giant has been humbling. Yeah, he's amazing, man. When he came over and spoke for us a couple years ago at our leadership conference. Yes. Man, that was incredible. I'm here by your friend and our friend Michael Phillips speaking Thursday night. In fact, I'll tell you what happened. Okay, Bishop Bronner is going to speak Friday night, who's our chairman of our board. And Bishop's office called and said he can actually be with you Friday night to speak and it was very gracious. He just basically volunteered. I like to come over. You got a lot of my friends there. I was like, okay, it'd be great Friday night. So I called Bishop Bronner. I said, you just been moved to Thursday night, brother. So then Bishop, Bishop called and said, hey, in fact, he called me and he said, I'd like to come over Thursday night and hear Michael Phillips and Bishop Bronner speak. It'd be great. You know, so it's all have a place for you right there to sit with us. And he said, no, no, put me a couple of rows back. I don't want to be a distraction. And he's just, you know, he's got that understanding of who he is. You know, I mean, a self awareness. And he came and he sat second or third row, something like that. And didn't create anything. It was, and he just wanted to be with a bunch of men. You know, he's just a, he's just a man's man. He wanted to be with a bunch of guys. But then Michael Phillips finds out because we didn't tell him, right? Dr. Phillips is husband as we call him now, right? Right, right. So Dr. Anita Phillips is wife. And therefore Baltimore, if you're not familiar with them, look him up, because this is amazing young couple we're passing in urban Baltimore. And Dr. Anita Phillips, most people have heard her by now. He's amazing teacher, but Michael was speaking at night. And we didn't tell him Bishop was coming, right? And this is his mentor hero. And Bishop walks in, and Parker goes, oh no, it's like, I'm going to speak and he's sitting down there. That was a great moment. That was a great moment. Anyway. And but just the fact that he has that heart for men. And you know, I know one of his passions is what you lead for him. And leading men, mentoring men, you've done some massive conferences, but behind the scenes, you guys disciple thousands of men. And that's that's a core of his heart is that it's not going to happen by, you know, there needs to be legislation. Obviously, you know, we all work together in all different levels, whether it's government or public life or where we are. But, you know, it's it's been amazing to see that one of the things you did, well, you just talked about been sure something I talked about with some guys yesterday is, in fact, it was yesterday morning on call with a bunch of men from the West Coast, great friends major and Jacob and Scott number of others with general lion. And we were talking about one of the most important things about success in a man's life is just keep showing up. Keep showing up. And that's what you did. You just showed up, you started working in the parking lot, started working in prison, and you just kept showing up. You know, I think what was in my heart was to fulfill my call and to teach being young at the time and in college and fresh out of college when I came here. Certainly you want a mentor or you want a model, but I didn't really think that I would know him like I know him now in a sense that would later become apparent. It was really about fulfilling what God put in me. Come on. And I think the problem is, most times we have the ship reverse, we're trying to go back to the dock to meet the people when God is saying, no, just let me lead you in the ocean. Come on. And if you let me lead you in the ocean, you will get to another dock on the other side of this ocean and the people that you thought you needed or wanted are going to be at the destination that I was pushing you toward this whole time. Yeah, in other words, you're showing up wasn't in order to make yourself known. No. And you're wanting to know your calling. My calling. And you can't and you you really can't be known in prison ministry, like there are no, especially then no cameras, there are no lights. You're only proof in the pudding are the inmates who would get out of jail to say that young guy was preaching that young guy came to see me every week. That young guy did a revival in the prison that young guy told me not to quit that young guy kept me from suicide. And all of a sudden I looked up and I had fruit that would remain because I didn't give them them me. I gave them him. Jesus. Yeah, see this is, this is, this is an incredible picture of what it means to be faithful because being faithful is not about being known. It's about making him known. That's it. You were faithful in places that nobody saw. No, we, we would laugh. I laughed. Me, Bishop and not Tina and I do overseas director. She's our executive director of our touring program. We laughed because I said some of the first Tory clients were in my apartment. I wouldn't advise this to anybody. But I've had people stay with me who got out of prison. Now I was single then I was rowdy on fire for God. It didn't matter. I would teach men from a chart marker board family life. I would stay out of drugs and in a few weeks they get their own place or a few days. I have seen the gamut of the whole spectrum and sometimes and in every one of them they weren't just angels. But most men just want to be shown the way the rest is up to them. Yeah, see in the thing you you also mentioned is there was fruit. I think I think if a man is doing what he's supposed to do in life, there will be fruit. It shows up. The only time it Jesus really got mad at at something was. I got angry at the guys who were ripping off the Gentiles kind of turned over their tables and beat up a few guys. But remember he came to a fig tree. Remember that story is walking along with his guys and he came to a fig tree and it didn't have any fruit. And the issue that he was teaching was, you know, who you are. You're supposed to be bearing fruit. And you're supposed to be who you are, what you're what you're producing out of your life. It's supposed to be what God put in your life. Fruit, fruit the remains. And I think that that sometimes we want to be known for looking like a really cool looking tree. And as with Jesus, they said, man from a far off he's looking from this tree that are shade. It looks great. Looks awesome. Got really great shoes on, you know. He cut his retro air Jordans. And you know, that whole thing that whole we look a certain thing. And he said, but he looked at he said, yeah, but there's no fruit. And we've built a culture that seems to be more concerned about how our Instagram feed looks. Then whether or not we're feeding men. I want to say something right there because you by bringing up that fig tree. May we think about why the fig tree was really cursed deception. Wow. Deception. I think why would like why is God so evil? Why would he curse a tree? Deception. He says, I'm going to tear down anything that makes you think it has fruit or something that is reliable in it, but it does not. It's like tearing down the tricks, the games, the schemes. This ilk of a plant or tree is deceptive. It's not every fig tree, but it is this one. He curses the fig tree because it. How many of us get into terrible situations because we acted like we were more than we were. How many in run type, well, I should have said that, but how many businesses have gone down because they were projecting something quotation marks that was not there. Empty hopes and false dreams. It's it's almost like looking for waterfalls that do not exist. That's why that's why God's called us to an authentic life. That's why Jesus. That's why I love when I read the word ventured. God's so honest with us. He shows us David's stuff. He shares with us Peter, you know, being upset about stuff and tipping over and messing up and then. He's coming back and being part of launching the acts of the apostles. You know, he shows us over and over that we can stumble, but if we'll be faithful to him, he'll pick us up. Yes. And he's a God who's always there. He's the father who never quits loving us ever. He loves us with a passion. You've you've seen that a million times. Hey, I'm talking with Vinciard Dobbins and sociopaths from power sauce and Dallas with Bishop Jake's. And in particular, you head up a manpower ministry to men and you do a number of other things there. You've had quite a season with COVID. Your church has been rocked with some very special friends who have lost their lives to this terrible pandemic. And my heart goes out to, well, we've we've had the same thing happen. It's not been an easy time. When you talk to men right now, Vinciard, when you talk to men as a pastor and as a friend. And they're walking through man, this is, this has really got me jacked up. What do you first talk to them about right now? I kind of want to land this. What's a couple of things that you share with men right now to bring their heart to a place of courage and peace? Yeah, I first talk to them to say, Hey, how are you doing? It's the eight age old ads. And then I started talking to them about what's on their heart, which is normally three things. Faith, family and finances, typically finances, typically family and faith sometimes can be the last thing. There's something in what faith can be the first thing, but it's because they are trying to prove a certain character and integrity. It's good for a season. So there's some guy say, it's okay. You've been through a lot. COVID, the transition in your job, the transition, the change of your revenue in your business, it's okay. Let's take a breather balance. Let's balance this out. You don't have to be a hero. You don't have to be Superman. Let's talk to Clark Kent. Let's just be Clark Kent today. And everyone doesn't have a doom and gloom story, but I think COVID has mentally weighed on all of us. You mentioned Dr. Anita earlier. She talks about the mind and the brain. And we're starting to realize that our brain can only take so much. Some keeping it central with those three things. I may broaden it to a fitness because I'm really under, I'm really after their health. Yeah. The man is not working out whether it's walking, running, talking, expressing the clutter is building up. And most illnesses are not really birthed out of physical illnesses. Most times, I believe, this is my personal belief, I'm not a doctor. I believe sometimes they're sins of the spirit. They're things that bogus down, unforgiveness, pain, anguish, and we begin to really emotionally make ourselves sick. Where things are not functioning right because we wielded so in our mind as a man, thinking thin as heart, so is he. So I'm trying to keep it basic family, faith, finances. I may spread it out to a fitness and then I may talk about the future. I may talk about the fuel. I may talk about what's your focus. I got a million F's here. I was the same. So when you're doing F bar, it's actually positive. We have what's called our men of destiny. Yeah. We're on a sabbatical right now. We're taking a brief break and we're going to start back up next month. Yeah. So in our men of destiny, we had three to 500 men every Tuesday night in our chapel. Right. And I tell people all around the world, men will come to church if you give them the Bible in a man's format. And sometimes we portray the Bible or or articulated as if it's just going out to women. We love you. So this is power to you. But sometimes it is not emotion for us. It is cut to the chase and tell me the truth and tell me how this is really going to affect my life. So in broad and terms, other than the F's F bombs. We talk about real estate, emotional intelligence, communication, relationships. We talk about technology. We talk about the generations. We talk about credit reports and all of that relating to being more Christ like. Great. Great stuff, man. Talk. I've been talking with my friend, the inshard, the job and social pastor. For potter's house in Dallas with Bishop TD Jakes and manpower men's ministry. You guys have done such an amazing job of discipling men and we see the fruit. Really all over the world. It's pretty amazing. But I want to thank you, Ventured for staying, you know, on course on this stuff. You know, the fact that the media shows up now and all these kinds of things and has just not turned you from your desire that the Lord put in your heart as a young man going, you know, playing football and everything else to help be a coach to other men. I love a life that's fulfilled. And I just want to thank you for staying the course man. It really easily turned on all this stuff, right? Right. But you've maintained the focus. I was going to give you some props on that. Which is another, which is one of your F's. The focus, man. Because it's about, you know, when I throw out your future, your mind is going to go toward what you think is your future. So to me in between the future and the focus is the fuel. Yeah. You're trying to focus on your future, but you get tired on your way there. Even a Tesla battery has to be recharged. Is that it? Is that a product placement right there? Tesla. Just kind of your, one of your boys is selling Teslas. I said, I wish I had a nice percentage there. We need to call him. I go, hey, man, we just, your dad just. He's going to cost you a hundred bucks. Go product plate that next commission check. I hope he's, I hope he's very successful at it. I'm sure he will be. Hey, thanks for hanging out with me on the Facebook live and then on our podcast, Brave Men. And I look forward to hanging with you guys when you get back from your trip next week. And spend some more time together. You are. When we get together, it's like there's always like goods. We just keep coming up with stuff. And. And I start taking notes when I sit down with you, brother. What a blessing, man. You're a smart guy. Listen, America. This guy is a giant. He is a leader among leaders. He's interviewing me. Listen, I'm just glad to be here in the likes of a Paul Cole. Come on, man. I'm going to pull that one part out right there and descend it there. But you just take that one little thing out. Now you're, you're. It's an amazing thing and Bishop Jake's and I've been around him enough to know his heart for men and for the family. And for the fact that we want to end fatherlessness. Right. He supported our ministry is we have supported yours and manpower and we have a number of dear friends who work. If you will with all of us and we are allies in this fight. Yes, we are. We are a fatherlessness and then child abuse. And stop the trafficking of human life. And to see the family, the family, not the nuclear family, the family. Nuclear families that turned it came up in the 80s and it was only. You only got defined as that so you could then redefine it. But God defined the family and the family means family means father's house. And when you have a when you're building up men and we're you talked a minute ago about the ladies. Every woman wants what God wants in a man. God wants a man to be consistent, decisive and strong. To a God wants and every woman wants the same thing. A man is consistent, the size of and strong. And we're talking strong and faith strong on the inside, strong in his core. Because the stronger a man is on the inside, the more gracious and generous he can be on the outside. And you, my brother, portray that as well as any man I know in the world. So thanks for being with me on this and being on Brave Men podcast. It's on that everywhere. Spotify and Apple all kind of stuff and then being with me on Facebook this morning. It's a blessing brother. I look forward to seeing him and you guys get back. I love you man. You just did a mic drop. That was awesome. Alright, see you man. Well, that's things. I'll be praying over the school thing for your son too. Thank you so much. Thank you. Man, bless us. See you, man. Bless you, man. See you, man. You just experienced Brave Men with Paul Lewis Cole. Paul is president of the Christian men's network. Connect with Paul at cmd.man or write to him at Paul at cmd.man. Thank you.