BraveMen S3E61: SQuire Rushnell - The Godwink Guy, Prayer & Louise

Chris, one of the most fascinating men I've met recently in any of the podcasts I've done is Squire Rushnell, and in his wife, Louise, was a major bonus. I didn't know I'd be interviewing both of them, but it's going to be a really remarkable conversation today on Brave Men, on the podcast that's sponsored by Christian Men's Network. And with me, I'm Paul Cole, and with me is Chris Shields. And these guys are fascinating. And he's a guy that came up with the whole Godwink thing, which I had heard about, but I didn't know this was the guy. No, he is, is amazing. And I love the humility that both of them walk in. Like, there's some of the sweetest guys. Super easy to work with. I mean, his wife, obviously, not a guy, but, you know, they're just three years from California. So, you know, it's just the Cali thing, right? Sorry. Even me have that whole Cali thing on us. Everybody's, hey, those guys. Yes, the Cali swag. That's what I like to call it. Now we're living in Texas, and we have to say y'all. Y'all, yeah. You together. Yes. And, you know, this guy, Squire Rushnell, I mean, this man really made Good Morning America number one with ABC Television. He was an executive with ABC for over 20 years. He built Good Morning America, became the guy who did Schoolhouse Rock. Yes. Did you ever see that show? I saw the play when I was in New York. Okay. Schoolhouse Rock. And then, uh, so then Godwinks on NBC today show has been going on for about five years. Been one of their top segments. And then Louise is like, she's a remarkable person. Yes. The two of them together. Power stunning. And, and we end up talking, I mean, they got a movie that just came out. Yes. All right. Big hit on the hallmark. And, uh, but we talked about their book on prayer. I mean, this thing is deep. It is, uh, absolutely fascinating interview. And she does, uh, what do you call it where you mimic somebody? Um, impressions. Impression. Yeah. Thank you. Good answer. Thanks, Chris. Thanks for helping me out. Yes. You know, that's what we're a team to. Yeah. Now, she traveled with some really famous people, right? Yes. Tim Conway. Yeah. Tim Conway. Yes. Tim Conway. Harvey Corman. Harvey Corman. Yes. Do you know who those guys are? I've heard of Tim Conway, but I didn't know who Harvey because, yeah, because you're younger. Yes. And I mean, these are some of the most classic, uh, funny moments in that history of television. Wow. Was on the Carol Burnett show. Okay. And she tells us, Louise tells us about meeting Carol, and then meeting, uh, I don't want to give it away. This is spoiler alert right now. Okay. But you can't mute. You don't want to mute what you're listening to a podcast. You can't like, hey, turn away from yourself. Yeah. Don't listen to this right now. Yeah. Don't listen to this. Come back later. But anyway, she tells us the people she met and, uh, how she went on the road and then, uh, squire tells us what's the, now the movie they just come out with. Yes. Just dropped yesterday. A God-wing Christmas. A God-wing Christmas. Second chance first love. Second chance first love. Yes. Okay. Do we have any spoilers? We can give away right now. Yeah. We've got a little bit of a spoiler. You know, high school sweetheart. Okay. Getting back together. Getting back together. Yes. After, you know, a tough transition, um, through a, uh, relationship. Okay. And, you know, doors are open with a God-wing for a rekindling. So a God-wing is a coincidence. Yes. Yeah. He, this is, I mean, another way that I would like to even say it is like the intentionality of God. The intentionality of God. Yes. Maybe we should tell squire to change God-wing. Yeah. Let's call them up. I think God-wing worked. Yes. Yeah. Since he's already written, they've got a number of books. He's got 12 books on the God-wing series. And then he and his wife were written some books. And I think, you know, to me, the one that we just, uh, talk about today, about praying together, staying together, I think this is huge. It's a 40-day prayer plan. Anyway, hey, let's get into it. I'm excited to have today on, uh, Brave Man, Squire Rushnell and Louise Duarte. It's Brave Man with Paul Lewis Cole. Wisdom encourage for the journey. Talking with Squire Rushnell and Louise Duarte and, uh, they've written so many different books. You guys have been involved in television and media. Louise, you've worked with Tim Conway. And, I don't know. Now, both of you were directors. So it must be an interesting dynamic at the dinner table. Well, Squire, Squire does the heavy lifting. Okay. He writes mainly the God-wing books. And I edit and maybe add a little bit here and there. You're the spiritual voice. Yeah. But, uh, you've written God-wing, you've got a number of books, many different languages. And then you guys begin to work together. This is fascinating to me. Working together in a 40-day prayer challenge. And now a whole, if you will, line extension of those books. Your background, though, comes in, in, uh, what we would call, you know, it's just a layman, you know, New York and Hollywood. Sure. Actually, right? Secular, yep. Yeah. So, uh, general market, but nonetheless thought provokers. Squire, where did that start for you? How did you get into television, ABC, all the amazing things you've done over the years? Well, I always wanted to be a radio announcer when I was a kid. Really? I talked into a sought-off broom handle, pretending that I was David Brickley, mainly to drive my older brother crazy. Uh, so I, I was right on that path from sixth grade on. And, uh, and when I found myself to, I was at the Westinghouse stations and, that I'd found myself at the ABC station in, uh, in Chicago. And we started a morning show. And it was a local morning show, but it beat the today show. And that's, that was kind of the rocket that sent me off to New York. And, uh, eventually running good morning America. And, uh, uh, and then on, on my way. Yeah. Now, and you've met some, some interesting people, Louise. One of the people that it's always fascinating to me that you work with and that was Tim Conway. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, what, uh, what a, what a brilliant, uh, just his timing. You know, was exquisite. Uh, what was it like to work with some of those people? You worked some of the people we all saw on television and you've been involved in those for years? Well, it was a real answer to prayer because as a kid growing up in Quincy, Massachusetts, when all the other little girls are playing with dolls, I was up in my bedroom pretending to do sketches with Tim Conway and Harvey Corman. No. This carabiner. Oh, yeah. Well, that's all I wanted to do. And I, my mother, who was very Italian Catholic, used to take me to the Catholic church. And she'd say to me in her thick Boston accent, he has a quarter lighting candle for the souls in purgatory. And I would light the candle. And I always prayed the same thing. I'd say, please God, I just want to work with Tim and Harvey. I just want to meet Carol Burnett. Years later, I end up in California. I was doing a variety show on television. And I was fortunate enough to do a sketch where I played Carol Burnett. And, you know, she had the little red wig and I'd say, yes, y'all have any questions. Oh, you in the back. Oh, yes. Oh, nice to see you. And anyway, Carol saw the sketch. And she called me up. She found my home number. She called me up at home. And I pick up the phone one day. I say, hello, and I hear, hi Louise. This is Carol Burnett. Listen, I just saw you doing an impression of me and I thought it was you. And I'd love to meet you. Well, now here, I'm about to meet the woman I want to meet more than anyone else in the world. I go to our office at the Disney Studios. I meet Carol. I spend the day with her. It was the greatest day of my life. And when I left her and I was walking out to my car, I just looked up to heaven. I said, God, if I could just meet Tim and Harvey now. And totally unrelated. These are all God weights. These are all godly unrelated. I get a call one day from Tim Conway saying, Harvey Kormann and I are doing a show together. We saw some of your work and we would love to invite you to join us. And that was 15 years of just a beautiful loving relationship with Tim and Harvey who became dear dear friends. And you know, I missed them terribly. I mean, they were the icons. They were the best of the best. We did over 100 dates a year all around the country at performing arts theaters. Hey, where did so now Godwinks? And probably some people you're listening or watching and you've seen the books. You've seen them because millions of books have sold. But some of you haven't. So I just want to say I'm talking with Squire Rushnell and his wife Louise Duarte. And the book is Godwinks. But then there's a whole line extension of that when Godwinks and now Godwinks. It wasn't books. Wasn't sure if that was the dyslexic version. But fascinating. So where did that come from? I mean, where did that thing drop in your heart? Because it's such an impressionable. It's a brand. It's a huge brand. Well, you know, God does everything. So God put, first of all, God put to curiosity on my heart. And it was when I was reading a history book about Adams and Jefferson. And I discovered that they both died on the same day. These two guys, Adams and Jefferson had more to do with the signing of the Declaration of Independence than any others other than Benjamin Franklin. These two guys both died on the same day. And that day was July 4th, 1826. The exact 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. And I was so moved by that. I actually started crying. I started thinking, what? That can't be coincidence. It had, there has to be more than coincidence. And I was sitting in my New York apartment, which is never too big, you know, it's like eight feet to the other side of the wall. And I had this mammoth bookshelf with about a dozen books on it. And I had a arranged according to presidential things and so forth. And I started thinking, if I were to write a book about what was going on, called coincidence, how would I find out who, who was the president at the time that Adams and Jefferson died? Because maybe that president did a eulogy on these two guys and I'd find out something. And it turned out that as I went across the room, I pulled off a book about presidents and John Quincy Adams was the president in 1826. And I thought, well, that's interesting, the son of the guy who I'm talking about, but it didn't say anything about him doing a eulogy. And so I put this book back on the shelf. And right next to it, there was a really ugly little thin black book. And I thought, what the heck is this little ugly, thin book doing on all of my 12 or 13 leather bound books that would make me look smart, you know. And so I pulled that off and I opened it up and I thought, Websters or Rations, I opened it up and it was printed in 1853. And I realized it was a book of Daniel Webster's famous speeches. And page number one was his speech called the eulogy to Adams and Jefferson. Daniel Webster, the biggest speaker of the day was the one who did the eulogy. And in those 90 pages, what a long speech that was, he talked about coincidence after coincidence after coincidence. And that drew me into the quest. And fast forward literally 20 years later, I was giving a talk at Dr. Norman Vincent Peele's country church, meaning the one that he lived across the street from. And the and the the preacher was away. And he asked me if I'd like to talk that day. And so I gave this talk about coincidence. Is it evidence of a grand plan? I have no idea. I'm just the guy who brought you school out to rock. And Scooby Doo, I don't know. I don't know, but I'm curious. And I started for a lot of us though. Those are social markers, man. As a marking points in a lot of people's lives. Of course, but that is how the first book began. And the word God went came about really as I was writing this book about coincidence. And it just didn't seem right that coincidence was the word because everybody I talked to said, well, really, coincidence isn't really a coincidence if it comes from God. And so Louise and I started praying about that. And I think we prayed for like six months and we talked to people. And one day that little word God went, just came into my mind. I said, hey, there's a fun little word. It's not threatening to people. No, it's not. You know, like Godspeed, Godsaid, Godwink. And so I had already written my manuscript at that point for the first book. And I took out every coincidence word. And I put in Godwink and it fit. And even more important than that Paul, when people started reading it, they put it into their language very quickly because it filled a vacancy in the language. Yeah, a coincidence that isn't a coincidence that comes from a divine origin. Yeah, because coincidence, sometimes could just be, you know, I was looking for a, you know, a particular kind of car. And then there there was or you know, it sounds not as divinely oriented or originated. But Godwink is like, you know, and I say that to my wife all the time, I'll go, you know, it's something that'll happen. It'll be like, how did that happen? How did we get in this line? Or how did that come through? And I'll just look at her and go, God loves my wife. That's the way to explain it. Waking at your wife. Of course, the, the opposite of that is the joke they tell them Brazil, which is, they look at a man's wife and they say, wow, you must really be a man of prayer. She's a very beautiful woman. And they say, but your wife, she must not pray much. Joe from that one. But this thing, it really is a beautiful thing. And the beauty of it, what I love about Godwink says, it, it bridges culturally. You know, I can talk to somebody about that and say, well, it's a Godwink. And they go, well, what is that? Well, it's something we're divine intervention, intervention of God in our lives. How would that happen? And now all of a sudden, there's these non-threatening openings. In other words, what God gave you, I think, square was something that lowers the threshold. Yeah. So you can walk through the door without tripping. Yeah. Yes. And the conversation starters, they really are. Yeah. There you go. There's another wonderful description of what you're talking about that came to us through a pastor friend of ours, Jim Reeves, at West Covina F sure. I know, Jim. I remember church, okay. We've known Jim and Margarit for a long time. And they were, in fact, we were talking to him about pray together, stay together. And Godwinks and the hallmark was interested in Godwinks at that time. And then they got so excited. And Jim, you know, he's kind of a very boyish anyway. And he said, you know, what I love about you two guys is that you're so shallow. Looked at him for a second. And he said, no, no, I didn't mean that. No, what I mean is, you bring them into the shallow into the pool. And we pastors take them into the deep end. And we said, that's it. That is us. The lady who does funny voices, the guy who brought you schoolhouse rock. We are shallow people. And we're shallow for God. Man, I'm, I'm just seeing t-shirts already. Oh, yeah. I think t-shirts and coffee mugs. That is, uh, gosh, that's a great story. Jim Reeves, he was the first guy, first guy I ever saw who had a little, this is back in the day. And he handed out, if you go, went to his church, he handed you a little, a little CD wrong. And he would put it in your computer. And then he would pop up. Yeah. I've never seen that before. Now I'm, I've got a background in that media and so forth and so on. But I've never seen a church hand out. A little CD wrong. You put it in there. And he would pop up on the screen. He'd go, okay, over there. There's our children's thing. And if you punch that button over here, I think you think that little thing down there that moves beyond. It's called the mouse and move it over there and click that. Yeah, move it. Yeah, he's, he's fabulous. Yeah. And you know, it's, um, you know, my, my mom and dad, uh, who began this ministry and they both passed away 18 and 20 years ago. Uh, they're dearest friends, uh, that you may have run across Gavin and Patty McLeod. Oh, love them. Yeah. Love them. They're in one of our books. They're love stories. Yep. We love them. Yeah. That's one of the boxing books. Yeah. I need to get that one because we, they, they'd go out to, uh, my mom was a member of the John Wayne Tennis Club. And this is back in the day and they'd go out to Palm Springs and spend time together. And, uh, just the finest people, it's amazing how God has used people who are followers of Christ, people who have a centering in faith to be able to inject that into culture through movies, television, entertainment. You know, you talk about that, Squire, you say, well, I brought, you know, this thing and that thing on, my thing is this is because if we're not careful in the church world and as we disciple men around the world, what happens is in particularly the men's movement, we, we make it sort of a gung ho macho motorcycles. Do I think are awesome, pick up trucks and doing tobacco, but well, maybe not the two in tobacco, but, but the fact is, is that to me, a man writing a script like, like the first, um, like some of the movies that are out now, uh, what was the one, um, where they did the Lord's Prayer writing in the middle of it. The Spider-Man. The first Spider-Man. And right in the middle of it is this little insertion of kingdom stuff. Or Lauren Cunningham, son who did the ABC miniseries on 9-11, wrecked it. And I think about these things, and to me, a person who writes a script is as much a part of yeah, culture with the kingdom as the guy who stands on a stage on a Sunday morning. You bet. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Because ideas have consequences. Yeah. Yeah. And everyone has a job for God. Yeah. And it's just, you know, we have to know we, as I say, bloom where you're planted, but he will give you the talents. And then if you use it for his glory, he'll, he'll increase that territory. Yeah. So I look at what you have done with Godwinks. And I look at what both of you have done in, you know, what may be called the entertainment industry, but really it's, it's a life formation industry. It's because it shapes people's thoughts. In fact, movies, and TV shows like you've done shape thinking more for young people than a Sunday school or a Sunday morning. Yes. Right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when we take, so for my deal is, I'm just saying to people listening to the podcast, if you're a dad, if you've got kids, and they, they want to build a video game, help them figure out how to do that and get the kingdom in that video game. They want to write movies, you know, the Proverbs says, train up a child in the bent of their life and the way they should go and not the way you think they should be shaped. But Ephesians chapter 2 verse 10 where Bible says every one of us is a masterpiece destined by God from before we were born to do good works. What is that? It's based on the bent of your life. So how did the two of you begin to write the 40-day prayer challenge? Hmm. Well, when we got married, it was over 20 years ago now. Squire, Squire would have been married twice before. I'm Mrs. Rushnell III. And I had a failed choice. I was married to a man who's like a Jerry Springer show. He left me for another woman and sued me for Alimony and one. But that's a whole other story. Not that I'm better. But anyway. But it did become your talk and it did. It did. But Squire and I had entered into something that we had never done in our other marriages. We began to pray together. And when we did that, we saw the most amazing things happen. Not just in our relationship, but in our prayers. We saw prayers, like as you say, it's like throwing a sponge in the water when there's two people crying and you have a father is right in the center and it just expands exponentially. And it was amazing. The prayers that were answered, miracles. We started talking about this most intimate act between a man and a woman. And when we stood on a platform at a church and we would say that, you could almost see the gray haired ladies widening their eyes. But it is. But it is the most intimate act between a man and a woman. When you pray together, it is the greatest X-ray machine. It's the greatest transparency that that any marriage can have. And we just got so excited about it. We just started blabbing to people. And so for them, we realized that we had hit upon something that was not very common. Even among the church-going people. In fact, when we went to church, it was then to talk about this, it would people would come up to us and say, gee, that is great. How do you do it? How do you do that? And when do you have a certain place, a certain time, what words do you say? And such a foreign idea. My wife prays there. I pray over here. We both pray. But we never thought of praying together. And I think that the church, I don't think the church as a general word. I don't think the church encourages that a lot, because they have the women of faith. We have the men's Bible group. Hey, this is Chris. I want to take a moment right in the middle of this great conversation to let you know the Brave Men podcast is a production of the Christian Men's Network worldwide and the Global Fatherhood Initiative. Christian Men's Network has helped pastors and leaders disciple men for over 40 years. You can find all the resources for mentoring and fatherhood at cmn.ment. That is the Christian Men's Network at cmn.ment. 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Because essentially, you know, this is good real in the culture in which we live today. Everything about a man is based on performance. It's based on, you know, working, making money. And we've got a very close friend of ours, Nancy Houston, who's a sex therapist, her husband's a contractor. It's great. They're building contractors. So it's a great balance and they're close friends. And she talks about it all the time. And I have her come speak at our men's meetings. And she talks about how we put this performance thing on men from the bedroom to the boardroom. Right. Now here's a guy who goes, okay, I'm trying to feed you this out, trying to figure that out. And now I'm supposed to pray. What if I don't know the words? Right. Right. Right. Well, I have to tell you that's it. What if that was an obstacle because most women would say, I can't get my husband to pray with me. So we did this 40 day prayer challenge where we say you just pray together five minutes a day for 40 days and see what happens. Part of this study that we're doing actually with Baylor University, the first empirical study of whatever happened. What happens when two people pray together consistently for 40 days. They've never done a study before. Believe it or not. So, so the men got on board. And I have to tell you, they was slow at first, but the most amazing thing happened after about two weeks. The men, invariably, the men started taking over the role of becoming the leader of the family. Becoming the leader. And if the switch was just phenomenal, this is fascinating. And what did you say that a woman likes to hear? She said, a guy is worried about becoming vulnerable. Right. And she said, I heard the heart of my husband made her more attracted to him. And so their love making was better because they were, he was able to share things with her. You know, intimate things that about work or whatever that was bothering him would come up with her. And he used to think that was weakness. He didn't want to share with her. But it's rare. She saw it as straight. And it's amazing how the enemy has fooled a couple. You know, it really is a total dupe what he's done. It's as parents see. It's fantastic. We had a darling check. We were doing a men's conference down in Peru. This is about five years ago, six years ago. And darling check wrote that book, wrote the song, Shout to the Lord. Oh, yeah. She was the original Hillsong worship leader. Oh, she and her husband, Mark, they now passed her in the North Coast of Australia. But we found out she was doing some compassion commercials down into jungle and Peru. So as they were coming out, I said, Hey, could darling do an opening little bit for our men's conference? There's about 2,800 men there. And we're in the middle of Lima, Peru. And she gets up and she said something in Louise. I've never forgotten this. She got up and she said this squire. She said when men worship women feel safe. I've never forgotten that because think about what women do for security. Talking about domestic violence. So I was just on a number of shows because it's spiked 38% in the larger cities in America. Because everybody's locked down. Well, the older the woman, this is the statistics, psychological stuff, APA, all that. The older the woman, the longer she'll stay in a dysfunctional or violent situation. This is amazing. Why does she do that? Security. For kids, for others. And I thought, man, what you guys have done with the 40 day prayer challenge is really, if you will, allowed me to become intimate with my wife in a place that I've never been intimate before and that vulnerability. One of the things we teach is that prayer produces intimacy. Yes, it does. Producers intimacy with the one you pray to. That's right. You pray for and the one you pray with. Pre levels of intimacy. So I want to make a testimony that will blow your mind. I mean, it just people who are on the verge of going to divorce, that we're going to be divorced. They've gone through all the counseling and we're not against counseling. Believe me, I think that's a good thing. But there are couples that they've tried everything. And then they said, well, let's just do what they told us to do. We'll pray for five minutes today. And the marriages were said, we do see miracles happen. And with Bayley University, we already have some initial studies that are just incredible what happens. Yeah. So this, this, this is in process right now, then, square right? Yeah, we've actually, well, it's been in process for about six years now. And when we went to, actually, we went to Barnett first. We went to Barnett to get some research on what happens when two people pray together consistently. And George Barnett said, we've never done studies on two people praying together. He said, George, how come? No. He never asked me. And then we found our way to Byron Johnson at Baylor Institute for the studies of religion. And, and he said, we also have never done a study on what happens when people pray together consistently. He said, but we're going to start now. He got so excited. So we basically said, we will gather the data. We will, we will gather the data. And when we gather enough, we'll bring it to you and you will analyze it. And so that's basically what we've been doing. We have two of the years just been gathering the data with the big churches that are coming on board to do these. So now you've got, so six years is what they begin to call a longitudinal study. Yeah. You can begin to graph it. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. And so if there's people listening right now, could they help with that? If there's a pastor listening with a church and he can somehow empirically, you can help them empirically pull this data, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We have everything. We have the website that tells you everything is great for the churches. What's the Rachel? Here's it's praystay.org. Praystay.org. The name of our 501c3 is pray together, stay together, which was the father Peyton sign off in the 50s and on his TV show and that is evangelist events. And when we started looking into that, we thought, what if anybody's trademarked that? Nobody had. So we tried to stay together. That's a God-waking and self. That's a God-wink right there because I mean, you talk about TV back in the 50s. Cardinal Cushion or somebody would have already. That's exactly exactly what I was during the cardinal Cushion Tates. Yeah, I mean, you know, not that I'm that old, but yeah, we need there. Yeah, don't remember that at all. So I see that on Nickelodeon. When you go to praystay.org, praystay.org, that's fantastic. I'm really fired up about that. And if you go, you know, I know we're talking on the podcast recording a lot kind of thing, but I would like to send that out. We've got a number of key churches that we work with across the United States because that fascinates me. And here's why there's some guys, in fact, most guys, you know, prove it. Yes. Yeah, prove it. Yes. Yeah. Show me. Yeah. I know two horses pulling together pull three times as much weight as one. Yeah. But prayer, seriously. Yeah. How's that going to make a difference between my daughter getting jacked up in junior high or my son doing drugs when he gets to ninth grade? They're going to go, no, no, no, this, this actually works. And this is fantastic. And it not only works for the couple, but we, we had done it for church, church of the Highlands in Alabama. Of course. Yeah. And they invited us to come out and they got together. All these couples would take in the Forty-Day Prayer Challenge because we have a workbook and everything that goes with it. And so they took it as a small study group. And each couple got up and told us stories. And one of the most precious stories was how their children saw a difference in their parents, how they treated each other, how they treated the kids. And one of the couples said, my kids said, Mom, why are you in debt laughing more now? Why why are you so happy now? So it really has a cause and effect. And then one of the things we want to do is because I mean, we're all Christians and we know this is great for Christians. But what we want to do is go to the secular world where we're from and go back in. They've already been told by NBC that today show that if you can get us the empirical study, we can show a scientific evidence of cause and effect of prayer. And because there is, it's unbelievable. And it's all on the website. You, you see when people pray for the first day and in the Forty-Day, what happens to their lives, their careers, their everything in their household. So we want us, we want the world to understand that that's how the world changes one prayer at a time. Yeah. We can do that. This is fantastic. PrayStay.org. And you're talking about Chris and Tammy Hodges and Dino and Delin and all our other great friends down there at Church of the Highlands. Yeah. You know, this is this is fantastic. And so prayStay.org. And it's also where they can order the materials or just get them in the Amazon. What's the best for you guys? Well, they can order anything that they can order the materials there. Okay. We've also with Robert Morris's Church of Gateway Dallas, we did a series of about 12 videos which are on that site, which because the most frequently asked question as I mentioned before is how do you do it? And so we actually put people together to pray together for the first time. And on camera. Yeah. And then, and then we, we interview them 40 days later. So you don't have to buy anything. I mean, there's books that can help. It's not even about that. It's about take the challenge. You'll have everything you need on the website. It'll tell, give you sample prayers. If you don't know how to pray and it'll give you statistics. So all of that stuff, this is our mission. As much as we love, you know, we do hallmark movies and Netflix and stuff, this is our heart right here. It's that if we can leave a legacy of prayer, when we're long gone and people are praying, then praise God, Hallelujah. This is great. The Baylor, the Baylor study is there. That's the Baylor research. We say, here's how you, we tell people about what it does, what you have to do. You go and you take, you do the study. The each partner does the study separately. And online, it takes about 10 minutes to do this, the survey. And then you pray for 40 days, and then we send you a little reminder letters through the 40 days to remind you to stand, of course, and encourage you. And don't forget to go back and take the survey again on the 40th day, because that's how we get the research the before and after. And once they do that 40th day research, then they get an email called your prayer score. And we take 20 of those questions and we get, and they see bar graphs. It's just as simple as kids in kindergarten. Here's where we were in the beginning. How often we pray. Now here we are. How often we argue, how often, you know, even romance, how, how much your romance goes up in that 40 day. It's, it's incredible. Yeah. Now see, now, now you're messing with something, because I'd be like, Bay, that, that score right there, that should be a good score, okay? That should be a good score. Well, that'll get me praying at least. It'll be a better score right there. Anyway, that's, and in the gayways, gaywaypeople.com, they're great. In fact, my son-in-law is one of their pastors. He pastors the prison church, the churches. Oh, yes. Oh, we love what they're doing. What are your dances? Robert and Debbie, they've been friends of ours since I've been a friend of pastor Robert since 1984. Three somewhere around there, 84. Well, can I take a real quick story about Robert? Because we met, Robert met us because he heard about the 40 day prayer challenge, and he called Squire up, and he said, this is the simplest idea. And Squire said, well, I'm the schoolhouse rock guy, so we make everything simple. So when we went out there to Dallas, we had dinner with them. And he had no idea this Squire was also the God-wink guy. So he said something, and I said, oh, that's a God-wink. He said, what's a God-wink? And we explained it to him. And so then they started talking. And pastor Robert had the most incredible God-wink story, how he even came to know the Lord. And he and Squire now have, he said, Squire, we have to do something to God-winks and the Bible. So Squire does a God-wink story, a modern day God-wink story, real story, and then pastor Robert takes a story from the Bible, and they put it together. We'll send it to you. It's really, it's really fun. The same time as forgiveness or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not awesome. And you guys, you guys, you do your part from Martha's Vineyard and he does his part in his life. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what we love him. We love him in his church and they're just crazy. And we just wrapped up the 40-day prayer challenge, one of the 40-day prayer challenges at Lakewood Church. Yes. And we're doing a cycle of them there. Yeah. They're going to do them again up until the end of September. And then on September 26th, we're joining up with Jonathan Khan and Kevin. Yes, yes, yes, for the return, which is that big event in Washington. Yeah. Really to promote national prayer 40 days before the election. And so we're urging people to take the 40-day prayer challenge beginning September 25th. Yeah. And on election day. Yeah. In fact, Chris, who are a producer who got in touch with you, we'll be there at that with one of my close friends as a man by name of Jim Garloff. He's on our board. Oh, yeah. Jim and Rosemary. And yeah, so they're very involved in that whole prayer movement. We've had actually right now it's somewhere around 6,000 men at Lakewood who have gone through Maximized Manhood. Oh, right. This is our men's discipleship training. And John Bowman is the pastor on the team that's in Toronto. Yes, we met him. Barrier, which you would have probably met, because he is also in charge of groups or some sort. Yeah. He was a business man for many years and really literally sacrificed everything. Come on staff. God's renewed his. There's a lot of things that happen in his life, but that church Lakewood people watch Pastor Joel on TV who I've known since 84 because our dads were friends. And we were both in television. You know, he was the producer. It was never going to be the guy out front and say, I was never going to be the guy. And now here we are. But you know, it's been amazing to see how men's lives change. And one of the things we hit and I want to get this into it, you guys, is that and connect all the dots for us is one of the things we hit all the time as men praying with their wives. And I teach guys, in fact, I do a listen, I can do it. I do a five minute thing. I'll go, I'm going to change your world. It's going to take you five minutes. And what I do is I just it's not quite this, but it's like, Hey, is your wife heads off to work or if you're heading to work first, whatever that is, grab her hand and just do this. God help my wife in this situation that she's facing today. Amen. Boom. Out the door. It's all you have to do. That's beautiful. And so I have to do. And I just want to know that you said at the atmosphere for a different life when you come home. You are so right. I just want to give you a quick, you're about, I'm about to make you a hero. Yes. Women, women, it's like that. That's all they want. That will be fuel to take that white day. How many of us, how many of us have said the wrong thing? Yeah. As we, the last thing we said, and you lived with it for the next 48 hours. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody goes, yep, that would be me. Yeah. And this is fantastic stuff you guys are doing. This is absolutely amazing. And praystay.org, praystay.org. All the tools are there. The book, Godwinks, when Godwinks, dogwinks, all the winks. Yeah. Dogwinks, I'm surprised. Dogwinks, dogwinks is the sweetest. They're all Godwinks with a dog in the center of it. They're just amazing. God uses dogs all the time. They're like our little four-legged angels on earth. I'm surprised. Wink Martin Dele hasn't come after you on that. Well, we love Wink and Sandy. So that would be one of the line extensions. But thank you, Luis Duarte, and Squire Rushnell for taking time to be with us on Brave Men on our podcast with Christmas Network and Global Fatherhood Initiative. I just want to tell you, my prayer for you and for Judy and I, our prayer would be that God, every place you put your feet would be holy ground. Everything your hands touch would prosper. And that God would keep you deep within the grip of his grace and favor in the days ahead. Thank you for all you do. God bless you. Thank you. Can I just suggest that that my partner who played the role of Oh, God. Oh, George. I lived to be 100. When I was a boy, the dead sea was always sick. See it all. Thank you. You got to have a prop cigar somewhere. I know. You never bad look at it. I couldn't use this pen. Yeah, when you're genius with that stuff, that's amazing. And we love Gracie. Nobody we've had is judging Basie anymore. Goodness, yeah, that's awesome stuff. Anyway, hey, love you guys. It's been such a blessing to meet you. Oh, and you know, my Judy and I've been to where you live once. And we, you know, my promises, I have to bring her back. Oh, listen, George, come on now. You should have never told us we're going to be, but we're going to send you pictures. We stayed over at the, is it called the lighthouse in. Oh, there's a lighthouse in this heart of view. That was it. We said a heart of view right right there. We're the lighthouse. We're actually going to be a dinner tonight. Yes, we are. Come on, somebody. What a blessing to meet you guys and be able to connect and spend some time. So Paul, I got this wonderful question for you. Okay. What do you do when God winks at you? What do I do when God winks? Dude, you know, I guess that might be a Jonah thing. What do you think? Yeah, God winks. Jonah goes, dude, this messing me up. You know, this is, I do understand the whole God winks thing. I think it's absolutely amazing. Yes. You know, divine coincidences where God intervenes in your life. Yeah, but not even just coincidences. I mean, opportunities. Think about that as well. Well, yeah, there's that. I think this movie that they to these come out with and we can get a little more into that. We didn't really discuss it in the view because he was still in production. But the whole Godwink thing, what was the guy's name? What was the guy's name in the movie? The guy's name, you have Margie and Pat. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah, Margie and Pat. Okay, cool. So he comes back. He's got a couple of kids, right? Yeah, two kids, two kids. Yep. And he ends up running into her. They're sitting in traffic. Next to each other. Yes. Yeah, out of 80 million people or whatever. You know, it's 80 million people living. Where's this Los Angeles or something? Yes. So, yes, maybe. Maybe? Yeah, could be. Bottom line is he comes back and that's such a divine coincidence. Yes. I mean, that's crazy. Yes. Think about how many things like that have happened in your life where you go, well, how did that happen? Yes. How did you meet? You know, how did you meet that guy? Or where did that job come from? You know, well, I don't even know, man, I was talking with God that this happened. You know, I think the whole God-wink piece really explains a lot. Yeah. And about what happens in our lives. Also, I feel like the whole pray-together, stay-together piece is Squire and Louise talked about because they'd been married before. They'd gone through different relational things. They were, I mean, these people were big time and New York and Hollywood media, all this sort of stuff, traveling the nation, being with the top people. How are you going to keep the merits together? And that's what they had to come down to. How do we keep this together? Yeah. And they came back to prayer. Yeah. And prayer has made them, you mentioned it off-muck. Yeah. You and I were talking about them. You said, they're an amazing team. Yeah. This is a general reaction as a young man, having watched them interacted with them and watched them in my interview. They are an amazing team. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that comes out of not working together, but praying together. Yeah. And I mean, what I got through all this, the God-wink piece, but also the praying thing that you're mentioning is the reality of taking trust and making it tangible. And that's what they did for us. You know what I mean? They literally allow us to see what it looks like to truly trust God. You know, and something that keeps beating me up and even this morning when I was thinking about this, you know, Proverbs 3, 5. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not upon your own understanding, all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path. And we have this whole show that is literally taking those principles in that scripture and putting it out in front of us. Yeah. And we can take it and think, are we going to allow it to bring action to our life? Or are we going to continue to sit on the couch? Yeah. You know, that is a great point right there, Chris, because it's something that Squire talked about. You know, God-wink is one thing, but what do you do with it? Yes. You know, did you take it to an action stage? Did you have faith in Him? Or did you continue to quarantine in fear? Wow. Hello, somebody. Wow. You know, what's the result of fear? Fear, fear always isolates. Yes. And they had to move past their own fear about relational equity and about openness and about, you know, talking to each other openly, is this going to, what's this going to do? And they had to move into a place of faith and then that prayer time built that. We know in the life of David, the way he grew his intimacy and adversity. And I, you know, when you watched their lives, Squire and Louise, I almost call it Squire and Rush Now. It's not a two first names. But, you know, really watching their lives and seeing them and seeing what's been through and how now they've built this amazing brand and the Hallmark movie, you know, the big hits that they've had with Hallmark and the NBC and ABC and so forth. You watch all that and you say, you know what? You know, there's one thing for God to wink. It's another thing that you actually have to work. Exactly. And I think that that's the thing, especially in my generation, that we're afraid of sometime. Do I want to be vulnerable enough to put the action to real life in the moment? Because it's easy to put it into something in my closet with God. It's easy to love God. Well, that's it. That's, that's intimacy. And then they had hit adversity. Exactly. But what did they do in the adversity? They, they built greater intimacy with God, then with each other and then from that worked out. I mean, God wink didn't just happen. Yeah, but what do you always say? You know, you talk about, you know, private dedication. You know, private philosophy determines public performance. Yeah, what you're doing, private is what you become the public. Exactly. Proverbs four, what you put in your heart is what you become. Jesus said, out of your heart, the abundance of your heart, your mouth speaks. Exactly. And your words create your world. Well, thank you to Squire and Louise, Duarte. And I love, I could have actually gone, you know, because I've been around for a while. And so I know a lot of the people she does impressions of. And I could have gone 10 minutes. They do this. She didn't George birds. I'm like, I'm dying. And I'm like, you know, a lot of people are going to know who that is. But I do. And I just thought she was fantastic. I don't know how you hear that stuff. Yeah. And, but thank you for being with us today on Brave Men Podcasts with Squire Rushnell and Louise Duarte. And the movie is out on Hallmark. Yeah. It's now out. Is that right? Yes. It's a big hit. They've had a great audience. It's a fantastic movie. Yep. A Godwink Christmas second chance first love. A second chance first love. And I mean, we could even go break into the gospel with that. Because I mean, didn't we always get a second chance with God? Well, it's a God of do overs. Yes. Yeah. And we're, you know, we're living proof. Amen. Amen. Hey, thanks for being with us today on the Brave Men Podcasts. Like forward to talking to you again. We've got so many different incredible people who have been on the show and who are going to be on with inspiration, deep consecration, things that will stir us up, stretch us. So go back and look at the whole list of programs that we have. And looking forward to some of the people who are coming up. So thanks for being with us today on Brave Men. You've just experienced Brave Men with Paul Lewis Cole. Paul is president of the Christian Men's Network. Connect with Paul at cmn.man or write to him at Paul at cmn.man.