Brave Men S2E29: Ron Kardashian - Fighting for Your Emotional Health

I saw him in the other day and it said something about we're walking less, eating more, because we're shut in during all this COVID stuff that's going on right now as we tape this broadcast. But there's a man that I talked to at the start of this that really did help motivate me because I talked to him the other day in the middle of this and I thought, you know what? Ron is right. I just have to pick this thing up and go after it as we would say in the hood, my own self. Okay? I just got to pick this thing up, Brian, and make it happen and Ron Kardashian is just that kind of guy. He just kind of gets you fired up about going after excellence and he's coached like the top CEOs and stuff and so to find time with him where he was not in the middle of a ton of stuff was really remarkable and then, and of course then, you know, he got his special tickets to any of the Kardashian shows. I'm really looking forward to hearing it. I've not heard the interview yet, so I'm excited to listen to it. I'm glad you had time with him. Yeah, but no, he's he's related somewhere in the old part of the, you know, the Kardashians came over, you know, it's all part of the Armenian diaspora that came out of the terrible tragedy of the Armenians, billion, a million being killed and came over to this country. And so Ron is part of that clam, but he can't get his tickets. I found that out. Well, I mean, you're right about one thing. We got to get up and get motivated and as we record this, we're still in in the middle of quarantine season, which I didn't know was a season. I guess it is. And I say, my wife and I got out this morning and it was very difficult. We got up at five and by 530, we were out doing a little run and we wore a mask while we ran, which is, yeah, double hard, but it's it's been a challenge. I've seen you seen on Instagram, all the people who have gained weight and put on pants and choke about it. But it's a real deal. And where Ron came from is that he was really sickly as a young person. He was very overweight. Nothing was going right for him. And then he found a place of faith and as he did that, he began to study neural science, EQ, IQ, all of these different things and he became, now he's won all these awards as one of the top CEO, coach of coaches, I guess. And personal cognitive success, you know, how to elevate your goals, how to raise your eyes up. And it is going to be a fascinating interview today on Brave Man. It's Brave Man with Paul Lewis Cole, wisdom and courage for the journey. Hey, Ron Cardassian, it's great to have you with us. And you are the founder and CEO of a confident coaching and you're an international coach to people. Now your website says from the boardroom to the bedroom and I thought that was a fascinating thing. You've been an executive coach for athletes, for CEOs. And then you wrote a best selling book called The 32nd Solution. You said, everything can be, can be changed in 30 seconds. Now, I'm going to put my, my time around and I'm going to see if my life has changed over the next 30 seconds. Okay. How do, how do you say, how does that happen? What do you mean by that, Ron? Well, something very powerful happened over the years. I started my career as a strength and conditioning coach and it made it all the way up to the NFL. I was 25 and I had watched these pro athletes do something that I pioneered called functional interval training, which was right, taking the heart rate really high and then bringing it low. When you have this bell curve, what happens is cardiac response systems get stronger. And so this is perpetuated over the last 20 years. I was going to call the book The 32nd Diet because right, the food that you take to digest. Yeah. And then the, the physician that did the forward on the book, because I had to have the thesis. I wanted to make sure that the cognitive side of what I was saying was completely accurate. And he said, I think you should call this the 32nd solution. And I said, you know, I think you're right. And he had the Daniel Aiman solution, who Daniel Aiman is just a brilliant, brilliant psychologist, 12 time best selling author, New York Times. Yeah. So, you know, all over the years, what happened was is from the NFL all the way from the weight room to the courtroom, to the boardroom, to the bedroom, as you alluded to, were 30 second decisions that the profile men were making, whether you are the top of your game and professional athletics, the top of your game and the ecumenical community or the top of your game and government. What has taken most men 30 years to build could be destroyed in a matter of 30 seconds with the wrong decision. Wow. And this, I kept the book on the positive side of this. Of course, I could have written a manuscript on the negative side of this, starting with King David. And as I began to explore biblical truth and scholars, I began to watch these foolish decisions that they made in seconds that cost them children, family, legacy, generation. And it's changed my life as a husband, it's changed my life as a coach. And now as a aspiring diplomatic advisor, hoping to change the course of this nation. And that makes sense. Really? Yeah, it does. And so, what it comes down to is our decisions that we make. Yes. Right. Which comes out of our identity and our definition produces our decisions. Very powerful. Those decisions that happen in a 30 second moment of time. In other words, we can think, well, you're an expert in this stuff. You can think hundreds of thoughts. Yes. It's meant. Yes. 30,000, by the way, per day. What does that average 30,000 thoughts hit these frontal lobe of the brain per day? So to become a master at this and live at liability, I tell my executives, why do I have to pay you this amount of money? I said, well, if we limit liability, profitability is inevitable. Yeah. They look at me and they go wherever you've been. Yeah. And great success. And know this. Well, my decision making then, you know, proverbs speaks of the wisdom that we need to have. Yes, sir. I mean, it was really 30 seconds is actually a larger amount of time in the sense of making a split decision. And rather than doing that, take, take 30 seconds. That's right. That's right. So when you first say it, it sounds like, wow, this all happens so quick. But when you begin to process what you're saying, yes, it really is about, take 30 seconds and think about this. That's it. Positive behavioral mastery is the ability to consistently make great decisions. And to your points, surrounding yourself with godly advisors, men and women who are done with compromise is one key fundamental to success. And we find this not in the writings of Ron Kardashian, but in the writings of King David. It's the very first song. I mean, it says, here is the key to success. Do not surround yourself with the ungodly. I'm telling my lawyers this, I'm telling my advisors this, all the guys around me have some level of consciousness of Christ, some level. And I think what's happened is we've created kind of our own little click systems to say you need to be at this level and have this kind of vernacular. But you know, I've got a great Presbyterian man who does 13 million a year who advises me with one billion startups, one billion in funding. He is a gentleman as I'll get up and I just love his disposition. And I think we need to be more aware of that moving into the culmination of times because we do not have another 30 years to waste. I need results and I need them now and people are looking for an edge and having senior level advisors is the edge. Senior level advisors, in other words, friends. Yes, yes. Well, friends, and I often tell a businessman that if you don't have friends, which it's very lonely at the top, you can hire professionals that you don't have to worry about temperament and moodiness and I'm coaching this in the church that if you're a volatile and you're not walking in these fruits of the spirits, there's a problem there. If you cannot handle crisis and you haven't learned by now, I always say, you know, look to some of my leaders, Kenneth Copeland, if we, the boys just did a clip of me quoting him and I want to quote him more like he quoted Agen and he, you know, if we haven't learned by now, we need to walk in love to activate faith after 100 years of faith teachings. Our generations in trouble, Paul. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Now, how do, you know, now again, I want to walk into something else here that's really fascinating to me, and then I want to be able to make this an application for us as just guys trying to live life every day. And that is, you talk about the behavioral thing you talk about, talk to me about neuroplasticity. What does that mean? Very powerful. You've got the Briggs Meyer, which basically says, this is who you are, you're sitting in this little quadrant, and this is who you'll always be. Very powerful question. Neuroplasticity is basically the law that comes from a two part word, neuro means neuroplasticity means plastic. And so basically what they have said is that, let me give it to you in an analogy, my telling me, you're not going to yell at me anymore, was I could no longer give her the excuse that I come from an Italian heritage of blood, strong Armenians, and Italians. This is how we talk. And you know, her proverbs 31 disposition would say, love is patient, love is kind. Coach Ron had some cognitive renewing to do here because I used to be very flippant. And being a coach, the DNA is very intense. That wasn't going to fly for Mama. So thank God the neuroplasticity came in because it's a fancy way of saying, no more excuses boys, your brain can change. And much like a muscle tissue, the good news is if you continue to rep out wise decisions, concrete decisions, there is a massive reward system for this, Paul, that I'm just learning recently in the last five years that this is the key fundamental to building self-esteem. Hmm. Just tied to self-worth. Now I coach a lot of guys that are interested in their net worth, but I flippant say, let's talk about your self-worth. Wow. Now self-worth to change this, I'll give you a key to change your anger, lust, all the things that Mendel with it. Coach Ron has dealt with them all. Addictions on every front. I'm very open about this because men often say, well, you know, you're a coach, you must have it all together. No, I haven't. I've been a user, I've been an addict, I haven't been a gentleman with my wife, I have flown off the handle, I've gotten angry on the road, all the things that were tempted with I've done. How has it changed? It's changed because I have learned that if I can practice right behaviors in private, they will build and this is not theoretical happenstance or maybe it might work. This is straight psychological fact that if you will make decisions in private that you know are right, which the conscious knows and suppress the ego, you will subconsciously begin to build a self-esteem and a self-worth that will send a trajectory of the most surest confidence. That's the kind of healthy confidence we want to exude as alpha males. And the law of neuroplasticity has given us permission now to change. So what you're saying is private practice becomes public performance. Beautifully said. So what I begin to practice in private, in other words, basically what you're talking about is you're changing my mindset, shifting into a habit rather than when we're taping this today, we're just past January and I noticed there's already fewer people at my local club where I work out. But the first three weeks of January, it was past and that's New Year's resolutions. Yeah. And we just make these resolutions, they're emotional, but what you're talking about is on purpose creating a new habit. Now you've come out of addiction. Yes, sir. How do I do that as a follower of Christ in a real way every day? I'm dealing with all kinds of stuff and traffic and thoughts and patterns and, you know, images and media and phones and just a lot going on. How do I actually get that done, Ron? Well, it's very important, Paul, that we understand and we let these men know that you're not perfect and you're never going to be perfect because a perfectionist standard, which most successful people do and have, is a wrong assumption and you've already set yourself up for a fall and it's just straight up too hard on the frontal lobe, the brain. And so you're already going to say, you know, I'm not good enough. You're already going to say the standards are too high. I mean, I heard this in 25 years ago, starting my first men's Bible study called Men of Honor. Boy, it was at a mistake because no one in there had a lick of honor. Although they all wanted it and I believe, right? And I believe that the DNA cries out for that, but here's the solution that you're going to laugh when I say this and you're going to be a lit, you're a living testimony. I would, I would be safe to say is the law of accountability is the most powerful law that the enemy tries to psychologically usurp. He tries to go over the law and say, no, no, no, no, you don't need to be accountable. In fact, if you tell anybody about this, then everybody's going to know, Paul, that is the secret key of deliverance. Wow. And Psalm 1 tells us, Proverbs 10, 22 tells us, Proverbs 15, 22 is talking about this law of advisership that says plan succeed or fail via a lack of counsel. And so here you're trying to succeed, but you're failing and the truth lies in the disclosure. You literally must say for a big one, I have a porn problem. I mean, this is probably the biggest issue I'm dealing with porn is a huge issue, alcohol consumption. I mean, I was drinking in private with my buddies and sometimes by myself and I would come home and not tell to you because she was raised by an alcoholic father and so the association created that of a loser in a sense of rejection. You know what I'm saying? And so I began this secret. Now, you mentioned something earlier that is very, very serious that the frontal load, the cerebral frontal cortex, the way it's designed is it doesn't know whether or not you're doing the action or not. Oh, wow. If you begin to think like you're doing it, then the brain thinks you're doing, it's called a process called neuro mirroring, which is absolutely phenomenal on the redemptive side because now we understand what Christ said when he said through Paul, he said, be a entertainer of me as I am of Christ. He was saying, just watch me, boys, but we can't watch him, but we're reading him. We are creating a neuro connection by observation. We can do this with golf. We can watch a professional golf swing over and over again, saying, you know what? I'd like to take a stab at that. I can do it. Well, if you will watch great leaders become successful, you inevitably, and studies have shown that top five people you surround yourself with are inevitably who you're going to become. Oh, wait a minute. Let's go back to that. That's huge. The top five people you surround yourself with is what you become? It's exactly right. And I can prove this scientifically now through this study that was done at the Heart Math Institute. It's very powerful. And I'm working on this revelation here, so forgive me if I'm choppy. But in short, the Heart Math Institute did a study on when we speak with deep intentionality, much like I'm speaking to you now. I am speaking to you from the core of my heart as an object matter expert in this space. Here's the problem for us leaders and those who are called to ministry, be careful before you say yes, because the scripture infatically talks about a double judgment. And I believe that the double judgment is tied to this concept, which they said when an individual speaks with intentionality, the DNA helix, Paul, inside the hearer begins to change. That means that DNA is transforming as I'm speaking to you. Well, if you've got somebody on a pulpit who has no transformation there, there's not going to be any transformation in the pew. Hello. Yeah. I am consulting pastors who are trying to say, hey, my people won't give, well, are you giving? My people won't change. Well, are you changing? And the pastor as the fivefold ministry, this is, it is time to put shame aside. This is the most dignified office in the world. If you are claiming pastor, prophet, teacher, evangelist, you are part of the greatest movement in the world and the highest level of diplomatic government known to man. So to be a student of your words and of your thoughts is mastery 101. Gotta have it. Because now we're learning, hey, I'm responsible for your soul, as the Bible does say, the ears of the hearer and also my own soul, double judgment. Yeah. At least that's what I'm meditating on. Hey, let's take a moment here. 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And if you have ideas for this podcast, if you think they should be longer, if you think if you have ideas for guests or topics, let us know. You can write to Paul directly, paulatcmn.man that's paulatcmn.man and I actually promise you he reads every single email he gets and he goes directly to him. So drop him a note. As always, thank you for subscribing and let's get back to the interview with Ron Kardashian. So then, how do I, you know, when we took when the Bible talks about taking every thought captive, how do I do that? Ron, how do I actually, I mean, there's so much happening when hold so many different directions, how do I actually make that happen in my life? First of all, what I had to learn having an anger issue, which was rooted in a lack of self-esteem, not confidence now. Confidence is your trade, you can be darn good at what you do, seven figure earner and man, people think, wow, this guy or this guy has got it all together. But on the other side of it, if there's a high level of ego, you know that you have very little self-esteem and that's what my problem was because the ego was constantly sending me messages of, what does this mean? That's really what the ego says, according to my studies with Dr. Lieberman who wrote a great book that I always recommend called Never Be Angry Again, goes into this in depth study concerning the neural pathways of the ego versus the soul, which is just a brilliant combination because ego is a choice much like sin. And I spoke with Jesse DePlanis who's been a mentor of mine for years and, you know, I said to him, how do you do it? And he doesn't know any of these laws of, right, neurological development. And he's so funny, he just says, stop it, you know, well, that's a big stop it. So the one, two, three, if you will, that I have coined with my patients and my colleagues and clients is number one, you've got to identify in order to defy. You've got to identify. You've got to identify what is the problem here? Why are you so angry? Why are you so lusty? Why are you so addictive? And where sometimes what happens in this identification problem, which frees a lot of men when I say these words in 30 seconds, it's not the enemy. You have now crossed over and developed a neurological addiction. You have practiced so much that you've become a master at doing the very thing you hate to do. Yeah. And the only way to change that is by reversing it. So you go in opposite, you stop doing it. And that takes steadfastness, but the infrastructure of it must be accountability. You releasing the words, telling a friend that you trust, that's why we call our company Lee Confidant, right, is because every great king Paul throughout history is that one thing in common. They've had a confidant. Oh wow. The council, right, is something very, very rare. I mean, you don't find men you can trust. And people trust me. And when they confide in me, this is the unknown, something very spiritual happens. And they become free. This is what got me free. An addiction for years, anger addiction for years, the absence of a father. We can go down the list and make all the excuses. But soon enough, the buck stops here and we've got a man up. And we've got, as my wife always said, you know, scrap on a pair, honey. You know, forgive me for being frank, but listen, I'm a coach. Men are paying me and women to be very level headed and give the best advice possible. So if I continue to give you excuses, they just become the nails that build these houses of delays. And people want results and they want to see this blessing and they want this inheritance and Paul, it is right at the door with a simple 30-second decision to say, I need some help. And the success of healing begins. So you said number one, I identified to defy number two is accountability. Accountability. Okay. I had put that underneath first one, got it. And then number three is repetition. Oh, okay. The old school modality of trying to shape a human body is whipped through the pressure of good old fashioned iron. That force of pushing a weight creates what we call neuromuscular adaptation where you begin to shake. I parallel this to the Garden of Gisemite where Christ's pressure was so extreme that out of the pores of the frontal lobe, which is the cerebral frontal cortex, which is the CEO of the brain, he bled, sweat. This is the fullness of a depiction in which we will never have to suffer. We know man will ever have to go through that amount of pressure, but there will be pressure. In that pressure, if you can parallel in your mind, hey, every time I resist, I'm getting stronger. Yeah. Then have a gratification in a reward system that says, hey, there actually comes a sense of neuro-effran or adrenaline or these chemicals that are also triggered with losing temper and creating an ego or looking on a website you shouldn't be looking at. That same chemical is also there when you get the victory during the day and we hit repeat. And it works. And it works fast. It's fantastic. Hey, so tell me, and let's tell the guys that are watching right now, where we can get your book 30 seconds. Amazon will give it to you in two days, 30 seconds solution. You can also go to 32ndsolution.com. There's a great endorsement by my wonderful friend, Bishop TV Jakes, who just as a lovely, lovely soul has been very transformative in my walk with Christ or you don't order it online anywhere, books are sold. Yeah, I'm going to suggest that men do that. But it seems to me the core of what you were talking about was brotherhood. Yes, sir. Yeah. Yes, sir. That's at the core of it because because you have to remember, there is a law of two. And we often overlook this at all. But the greatest essence of life comes together when we bring, when we come together with our wives, literally a miracle is born, well, I believe the greatest miracle comes together when you have a brother, a friend, a colleague, someone you can trust because two is better period than one. It's just better, Paul, or look this, you know, so many times. And I mean, I have, I have, I have three coaches myself, which coach, who's been with me for 15 years, right, because my daddy took a side route. And which is fine. And you know, this also gives you a level of maturity against your parents who, you know, that's all he knew. He didn't know, right, which has brought great healing to my heart to not carry bitterness or anger for the triggers, if you will, to the addictions. Yes. See, and then I've got a financial coach and I have my mentor who's been with me 25 years and, you know, guys like Jesse DePlanis and Jake's who are busier than you can imagine. But still, you, you don't have to be in contact with us now, me being now a mentor. What we're doing here on the phone is accountability, you know, and me even telling you, Paul, that I have these addictions, I now walk away going, well, you told Paul, Paul, that you did. If I'm tempted later today, which by the way does happen, and more than not, Super Bowl tonight will, will give you a temptation in itself. You know, the thing that you discover in this journey is temptation is not sin. Otherwise, Jesus would have sinned. Yes, sir. And every man is tempted. Now, we most often run, don't deal with temptation before we become followers of Christ. Because before we became followers of Christ, it was just called opportunity. Now we're a follower of Christ. I want to point out one thing. It was, it was fascinating to me. I was reading about Elijah last year, and it struck me when he said, you might as well kill me on the last guy left. And God said to him, now I've got 7,000 other men who've not gotten me. And my question at that point and two, our men at Christian and his network was, why didn't Elijah know any of those guys? If there were 7,000 other men run that hadn't bowed in need. And here's Elijah having left his servant. So Elijah got so caught up in what he was doing that he neglected brotherhood. And he, and he disconnected from his servant, he discarded brotherhood. He got depressed, he's alone, he's under a tree, and he becomes suicidal. And you can see that over and over whether it's Jonah who wants to commit suicide by getting thrown off a boat, God saves him by sending a fish. It was God's mercy, not his judgment. And over and over and over, I come back to over and over Ron, and you just hit it so well. It's about brotherhood. Yes, sir. And it's about having friends you can talk to it. Yes, just to add to your point, not just men, but concrete men who are done with compromise. They made the 32nd decision to say, I'm not going to cheat on my wife. I am not going to compromise when I'm alone and I have my phone. I am not going to compromise anymore. I'm going to do the right thing because now there's a reward system of when I do the right thing because I know it's the right thing to do. It is building self-worth, and that is the trajectory to net worth. Absolutely, man. This is great stuff. And if you can, I want to hit this again sometime with you and come from some other places. But man, this has been fantastic, Ron. Thank you for taking the time. Yeah, thank you, Paul. Thank you for doing what you're doing. It's important that we reach more men, and anyway, we can assist you in doing that. This is where the Lord has really directed us to do it. You've got to do it. Amen. Blessings on you, and the favor of God on you, Ron. You and Tia, I know she's got a ministry, also, particularly for marriage and for women. Yes. Yes. Yes. You know, the two of you working together in ministry, it's fantastic to see. And I want to hear more about maybe what we can do the next time. I want to talk more about the fatherless issue that you walk through. Because I think that that speaks to the core of every culture we go to, we're in 139 countries now. Wow. And in the core issue of every single nation is fatherlessness. Wow. And so you've really spoken to it today. The 32nd solution, you're a solutionist. I saw that. Yes, sir. When I see it now, when I first saw it, I thought, you know, what? Come on, man. This is some kind of, you know, gimmick. But I get it. You explain to well, and I really get it. And it's that that frontal cortex piece. Yes, sir. You know, making that right now. In fact, you, you know it more than anybody, Paul, that the Romans road, the 2nd prayer, that changes the trajectory of the next 30 years. But that is a whole other level. That one step decision is made. You must maintain those decisions for the rest of your life. And having a brother and another man alongside you is the treasure of gold. Yeah, it's easier to obtain than it is to maintain. So true. It's easier to buy a car than it is to keep it running. It's easier to buy a barbecue than to keep it clean and it's easier to get married than to stay married. Couldn't have said it better. Well done, Ron. Thank you very much, brother. Great meeting you. I look forward to spending more time together with you. Yes, sir. Me as well. Thank you. Paul, that was a, that was a great interview. Wow. You know, he's, you know, the thing is he makes, I think sometimes we make things so difficult and he makes it a little more simple. And I appreciate it about Ron. I appreciate his ability to convey faith in a way that didn't feel churchy. You know what I mean? Too often we, we seem to use these code words and other people are like, what are you talking about? And so that's why Ron is able to operate in the general market and do the things he's doing. Well, he was traveling all over the world. Now this thing kind of knocked a hole in it, the coronavirus deal, but I'm sure he'd be back in a road the minute that things open, maybe when you're listening to this, maybe it is. But he's, you know, the healthy brain, physiology of business, lean muscle tissue and how to make organizations lean. So he applied all of these things that he'd learn to help in companies get stronger, better, larger, and then help the people, the men and women that run them, help them be stronger because really organizational health, Brian, and you know, you've been, you were with some of that, you built a large company, you've been with large companies, major firms, you know, health always is like water, it runs downhill. And the top's not healthy, the body won't be healthy. You know, I'm always so impressed when I look at CEOs or sea levels of organizations that have a strong Christian faith, but perhaps don't wear it in their sleeve, but you can see it by the way, they treat their staff by the way, they handle the COVID crisis by the way they treat their vendors. Man, that's a huge one right there. Isn't it though? Yeah. I can talk about vendor management, you know, but I'll tell you one thing that I can see right away, Brian, is if you're in a restaurant with somebody who's a, you know, sea level guy, you can tell what he's like the way he treats the weight staff. Wow. And I've been in situations where I've watched people, you know, just put them down or be rate them. And, and I've thought to myself and the people with me have thought, yeah, I don't think we want to do business with this guy. And so, you know, thank God for guys like Ron who can speak into that world and talk about generosity and love. And, you know, and yet at the same time building a healthy and strong and successful business. Well, you know, this country, I'm speaking of the USA where I'm located right now is built on people who work very, very hard, serve you food, drive trucks, you know, give you shots at the hospital, you know, and during this COVID time, we've been working very hard to thank a lot of the folks that keep this country running or grocery clerks. And, you know, it doesn't take much to give a smile and a thank you. That's all I want to say. And, you know, someone fills up your water at a restaurant. Does it hurt to turn and say thank you so much? You know what, Ryan? Here's a deal. That's a real thing. Those are real things and they really change what happens in people's lives and you don't know. You know, Romans 15, 13, which I talk a lot about on the Monday night, men, which of course is not just on Monday, it's on YouTube, so it's on 24, 7. So if you want to, I've got a lot of groups that use it on a Thursday, other groups that use it Saturday morning, they'll watch the video and then get together on a Zoom call or Skype or in person or watch the video there in person with them. But, you know, that whole piece about just the way we treat people is huge. And Romans 15, 13 says, says you should be filled with hope and joy because it comes from the Lord. And then it says that you should be one who radiates hope. That's the fun in the passion translation. And I think like you were saying, Brian, you see people like that when you see it, you go, huh, a different person. And I think that, see, that speaks more to who we are as Christians than any building we ever built. That's true. Well, thank you, Paul, for, for funding time to speak with Ron and sharing that with our audience. 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